popcornplayr
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Is there any way to turn the liquid hydrocodone into a powder form? How would this be done?
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COLD WATER EXTRACTION made simple(r)
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sonnyluv
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scarletfire said:
That is a great question Fire! The Brits and Canadians are off there arses on codeine, need more details on solubility of hydrocodone. and by the way, warm water extraction seems to work better in terms of solubility and efficiency, at least with the Vics.
popcornplayr
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SWIM turned the liquid hydrocodone into powder by putting a plate over boiling water and placing the liquid on the plate until it solidified. Then scrapped it for powder. Great stuff
sonnyluv
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popcornplayr said:
Has SWIM really done this is SWIM repeating what SWIM has heard from other SWIMs
dude we know who you are we are watching you we want to eat your vics.
No seriously, does that method really work?
popcornplayr
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no really it works haha
Morgue
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can you do a CWE with oxycodone? or is it just codine products? (I take oxy with no apap
johanneschimpo
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^ Yeah. You can. codeine, hydrocodone, oxycodone. It works for all of them.
But if you take oxy without APAP why would it matter?
But if you take oxy without APAP why would it matter?
rave23
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great thread. here is my method
time needed: 5 minutes
material: 2 glasses, 1 rubber band, 1 hair brush, 1 coffee filter (basket style), and 1 cigarette
yield: Possibly High
Preperation: Before you do anything, put your pills in the first glass, and add cold watter, to give them some time to soak.
* Now, take the filter and put it over the 2nd glass, and keep it in place with the rubber
* now, look for your pills, swish them around a little. they are either disolved or not. if they are not, add a bit more watter and see if that does the trick. if not, use the back end of the hairbrush to crush them up as fine as possible. That will be easy, since they are just a blob of binders now.
* Swirl around, dump the whole thing in the filter. Go and enjoy your smoke.
Now. There are two possibilities. It filters FAST (like the ASA + C kind), and by the time you come back in it's already just sludge in the filter. Or, as i noticed with everything that has APAP in it, it will take for freaking ever. If it filters SLOW, you just have to wait.
* take of the rubber band. Now here comes the "tricky" part... Twist the filter on top, so it looks like a bundle. make sure the top is 100% twisted and sealed shut. now, GENTLY squeeze the filter to get any remaining moisture out. Open the top just a tad, so you can add a tiny bit of watter on the filter cake. twist it shut again, and squeeze once again. This way, you get ALL the remaining stuff from the filter cake. You can repeat that once or twice.
* Why is this tricky? The filter tends to rip without any announcements, and then it kinda squirts out and you have a big loss. In that case, i have a method to "save" whatever got lost.
If whatever spilled happen to spill on a solid clean surface, don't worry. we can get all of that. just make sure it doesn't drip on the floor. Now take a bit of toilet paper, and soak up all the shit that went beside the glass. Wring out the toilet paper, and voila. take the wet lump, pur a bit of watter over it to get all the remains, and squeeze it out one more time. That invention led to my 2nd technique %) ....
CWE Revised: Now even faster, the 2nd method. TOP SECRET
* Add the pills to your beaker, add watter and make sure they disolve. Let the whole mixture stand untill all the sludge settles to the ground.
* Here comes the tricky part: Take a huge blob of toilet paper, and submerge it in the solution. it should soak up all of the watter, and leave the cake in the bottom. you can repeat that step if you have to, untill there is just the sludge in the bottom. add more watter, do it one more time to get it all.
* squeeze out the wet toilet paper over a filter. This way it filters WAY faster. of course, make sure to add water to the squeezed out toilet paper, and squeeze once more to get all the remains.
This still needs some work, but the day i find out a reliable, fast and efficient method, i will let you guys know.
Here is something i wrote in a journal somewhere. It is a step-by-step from Codeine+Aspirin+Coffeine pills untill the last step, the plugging of the solution. Just thought i share
If you're not plugging it, it doesn't really matter how much watter you end up with, as long as it's not a whole gallon. A glass or even two is fine. Use more water, wash your filter residue, and you will get good yields.
time needed: 5 minutes
material: 2 glasses, 1 rubber band, 1 hair brush, 1 coffee filter (basket style), and 1 cigarette
yield: Possibly High
Preperation: Before you do anything, put your pills in the first glass, and add cold watter, to give them some time to soak.
* Now, take the filter and put it over the 2nd glass, and keep it in place with the rubber
* now, look for your pills, swish them around a little. they are either disolved or not. if they are not, add a bit more watter and see if that does the trick. if not, use the back end of the hairbrush to crush them up as fine as possible. That will be easy, since they are just a blob of binders now.
* Swirl around, dump the whole thing in the filter. Go and enjoy your smoke.
Now. There are two possibilities. It filters FAST (like the ASA + C kind), and by the time you come back in it's already just sludge in the filter. Or, as i noticed with everything that has APAP in it, it will take for freaking ever. If it filters SLOW, you just have to wait.
* take of the rubber band. Now here comes the "tricky" part... Twist the filter on top, so it looks like a bundle. make sure the top is 100% twisted and sealed shut. now, GENTLY squeeze the filter to get any remaining moisture out. Open the top just a tad, so you can add a tiny bit of watter on the filter cake. twist it shut again, and squeeze once again. This way, you get ALL the remaining stuff from the filter cake. You can repeat that once or twice.
* Why is this tricky? The filter tends to rip without any announcements, and then it kinda squirts out and you have a big loss. In that case, i have a method to "save" whatever got lost.
If whatever spilled happen to spill on a solid clean surface, don't worry. we can get all of that. just make sure it doesn't drip on the floor. Now take a bit of toilet paper, and soak up all the shit that went beside the glass. Wring out the toilet paper, and voila. take the wet lump, pur a bit of watter over it to get all the remains, and squeeze it out one more time. That invention led to my 2nd technique %) ....
CWE Revised: Now even faster, the 2nd method. TOP SECRET
* Add the pills to your beaker, add watter and make sure they disolve. Let the whole mixture stand untill all the sludge settles to the ground.
* Here comes the tricky part: Take a huge blob of toilet paper, and submerge it in the solution. it should soak up all of the watter, and leave the cake in the bottom. you can repeat that step if you have to, untill there is just the sludge in the bottom. add more watter, do it one more time to get it all.
* squeeze out the wet toilet paper over a filter. This way it filters WAY faster. of course, make sure to add water to the squeezed out toilet paper, and squeeze once more to get all the remains.
This still needs some work, but the day i find out a reliable, fast and efficient method, i will let you guys know.
Here is something i wrote in a journal somewhere. It is a step-by-step from Codeine+Aspirin+Coffeine pills untill the last step, the plugging of the solution. Just thought i share
If you're not plugging it, it doesn't really matter how much watter you end up with, as long as it's not a whole gallon. A glass or even two is fine. Use more water, wash your filter residue, and you will get good yields.
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rave23
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edarrin said:
No shit
Same here. I am taking roughly about 400 - 600mgs of codeine a day, and all i notice is that it takes longer for the bowel movement to occur. but it will come. and when it's there, it comes out in one big *swoooosh* and i wish i had toilet paper with a local anasthetic like lidocaine handy or something, but yeah, it comes out allright
Just takes longer. After a while codeine lost it's power. Stronger opies still plug me up allright.
Morgue
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johanneschimpo said:
Why to use in a nasal spray delivery system of course..
Morgue
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can cwe work on benzos (ativan)?
rave23
Bluelighter
no, because lorazepam is not water soluble, so are most benzodiazepines for that matter.
johanneschimpo
Bluelighter
^ Well ativan is not appreciably water-soluble, so it wouldn't be the way you're used to it, but you could do an alcohol extraction on it (I don't know about the alcohol solubility of the rest of the pill contents).
But if this is for the same reason as the opiates, for a nasal spray, I must say its quite pointless. An ativan nasal spray would be no better than just taking the pills sublingually. They dissolve in less than a minute, kick in very fast, and have a very high bioavailability.
But you could extract the active drug from the pill, but keep in mind, your net result will be so damn small (ativan = 0.5, 1, or 2mg); good luck seeing it.
But if this is for the same reason as the opiates, for a nasal spray, I must say its quite pointless. An ativan nasal spray would be no better than just taking the pills sublingually. They dissolve in less than a minute, kick in very fast, and have a very high bioavailability.
But you could extract the active drug from the pill, but keep in mind, your net result will be so damn small (ativan = 0.5, 1, or 2mg); good luck seeing it.
Morgue
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johanneschimpo said:^ Well ativan is not appreciably water-soluble, so it wouldn't be the way you're used to it, but you could do an alcohol extraction on it (I don't know about the alcohol solubility of the rest of the pill contents).
But if this is for the same reason as the opiates, for a nasal spray, I must say its quite pointless. An ativan nasal spray would be no better than just taking the pills sublingually. They dissolve in less than a minute, kick in very fast, and have a very high bioavailability.
But you could extract the active drug from the pill, but keep in mind, your net result will be so damn small (ativan = 0.5, 1, or 2mg); good luck seeing it.
No not nasal, I was given a shot of it in the hospital yesterday, and it worked extremely fast (faster than sublingually), and would probably be the only drug I would consider IV'ing, but since extraction is not easy, Ill stay with sublingual.
may i ask how many pills you guys are using? i just used 18,(300 asa plus 8 mg codeine) so that would equal 144mg codeine? i used the method of crushing, letting it sit and dissolve well, and then filter through a good old tee shirt, then i drink the almost clear water.
johanneschimpo
Bluelighter
People do it with anywhere from a few pills to dozens or even hundreds (hundreds if they're doing several doses at once for convenience).
Personally, I've done it with 64 pills before. It worked just as well.
Personally, I've done it with 64 pills before. It worked just as well.
^Codeine peaks about an hour in, then depending on how much youve had, just gradually fades over the next few hours.
I use hot water (hot tap, not quite full full heat), then drop ice in it till cool. .. I think this is quicker than using cold water cos the pills dissolve so much faster..
Also I use a cloth to filter, usually a tea-towel, And I just grab it in a bunch and squeeze the liquid out to speed up the filtration
For anyone that's interested, (And those that were talking about how getting it to almost icey was better)
BTW this only applies for ibuprofen CWEs... nurofen plus, etc
I once had a reference to a document with a graph for ibuprofen solubility in different temperature water... I dont have the original article. . .it can be found through google scholar somewhere just by searching for ibuprofen solibility temperature. . . or something like that
anyway,
The solubility per ml flattens out at about 10deg. C, going lower doesn't effect the amount of ibuprofen per ml according to this graph.
It's important to note that you need to keep the amount of water down, in order to reduce solubility too .. . I use about 50ml,
Also if you're desperate, and dont have the means to cool your solution, you can probably get away with it once every now and then without causing harm
- A 50ml room temperature solution can only hold something like 1g of ibuprofen which is the same as 5 nurofen plus pills. . . so if you are extracting any more than 5, even room temperature extraction is useful... depending on your room temperature of course. . . i used 25C when i worked it out from the graph.
I use hot water (hot tap, not quite full full heat), then drop ice in it till cool. .. I think this is quicker than using cold water cos the pills dissolve so much faster..
Also I use a cloth to filter, usually a tea-towel, And I just grab it in a bunch and squeeze the liquid out to speed up the filtration
For anyone that's interested, (And those that were talking about how getting it to almost icey was better)
BTW this only applies for ibuprofen CWEs... nurofen plus, etc
I once had a reference to a document with a graph for ibuprofen solubility in different temperature water... I dont have the original article. . .it can be found through google scholar somewhere just by searching for ibuprofen solibility temperature. . . or something like that
anyway,
The solubility per ml flattens out at about 10deg. C, going lower doesn't effect the amount of ibuprofen per ml according to this graph.
It's important to note that you need to keep the amount of water down, in order to reduce solubility too .. . I use about 50ml,
Also if you're desperate, and dont have the means to cool your solution, you can probably get away with it once every now and then without causing harm
- A 50ml room temperature solution can only hold something like 1g of ibuprofen which is the same as 5 nurofen plus pills. . . so if you are extracting any more than 5, even room temperature extraction is useful... depending on your room temperature of course. . . i used 25C when i worked it out from the graph.
johanneschimpo
Bluelighter
bettyblue: Well, how high I felt is hard to answer. I wasn't really doing it to get high, but rather just to not feel sick. I was addicted to heroin at the time and visiting Europe. I took the codeine only not to withdrawal. ~500mg or whatever that is made me feel OK, not sick - but keep in mind I had a huge opiate tolerance at the time.
The first time I took any opiate it was codeine, and I don't remember if it was 60mg or 120mg... Either way, it was very intense. Keep in mind you lose a little bit of the codeine when you do a CWE.
The first time I took any opiate it was codeine, and I don't remember if it was 60mg or 120mg... Either way, it was very intense. Keep in mind you lose a little bit of the codeine when you do a CWE.
