cold turkey from 220mg methadone habit advice

[LuckyJamz]

i had a friend that was kicking for around a month with that kind of habit... you're doing great, mental weakness is the biggest problem, aside from that pain that i'm sure we're all too familar with...

i disagree with people telling you that picking up a suboxone habit is the same thing as any other opiate... yeah it contains an opiate, but its definitely not the same thing as dope, oxies, or methadone... its just not

i had 4 months clean, and then the lure of it all brought me back this month
my hope is that i can find half the strength you've shown to quit again someday... after about 5 years, it's starting to get old, but i'd be content feeling the euphoria every second for the rest of my life... its not the high thats the problem, its everything that goes along with it, of course

you're a trooper

 

[jgwire]

I quit 400 mg meth cold turkey....

First, let me say that I quit 400 mg of meth cold turkey... well, with the help of lotsof valium and trazadone and remeron, so don't think that you can't do it.

The worst part is, of course, the first few weeks, when you will be very very sick and very very weak.

I experienced all the predicable W/D symptoms and had the graduatl return to life and took about two months total.

two weeks of acute W/D
one month of feeling like utter shit
one more month of being on the rebound


LIke my siutation, the best things you have going for you are
1. You are initiating this detox or W/D is you will because you are sick of it and you have had enough
and
2. You know pretty much what to expect and you are preparing yourself xanaxwise and over the counter wise.

I would recommend trazadone 150 mg and remerson 15-45mg at bedtime.
IT will knock you out and give you atleast a few hours sleep and they work even better with benzos.

Careful with the XANAX -- I used TONS of Valium for my meth kick and I ended up free of meth but strung out on hundreds of mg of valium a day

YOU DON"T WANT THAT

Use sparingly and stop when you start to rebound.

good luck
Keep us posted.
JAY

 

[customer]

about what "anewguy" said....i've read multiple places and have been told by detox located in a hospital that you can't die. they wouldn't keep me, i flipped out, b/c i was sick as a dog, they gave me valium and other shit, but they said they couldn't keep me (i didn't have insurance @the time) b/c it would NOT kill me, if it was alcohol they said they would've. And it was my first day detoxin, i thought the hospital could make it a little more pleasant.

 

[receptorless]

two weeks of acute W/D

...this doesn't sound like much when you contemplate it when either dosed or high (i.e. not sick). You say to yourself, "fuck it, i'll jump off!" But then by day 2 you are in unbearable agony and are regretting that decision big time.... and you are all the time aware that you still have at least another 12 and a half days to go! Of course, if you then ultimately cave on day 10 you are back to square one!

While it might be possible in rare cases, i think people should be clear that trying to cold turkey off 220-400mg of methadone is just unrealistic.

I have no real idea if such attempts could also be lethal - but i suspect so.

 

[AnewMan]

about what "anewguy" said....i've read multiple places and have been told by detox located in a hospital that you can't die.

Oh thats what they told you. Now I'm going to whisper this fact: You have ONE life. They have never had a sudden cardiac arrest with someone who was detoxing JUST from opiates ever. It is just not possible. You are unable to die from anything when you are detoxing from opiates. No "natural causes". The hospital says so. The doctors say so. Apparantly I can not drink or eat and vomit and crap out everything from my body for weeks but I am PHYSICALLY unable to die because I am detoxing.
Right. They are college educated, the most dangerous group of individuals on the planet.

 

[rachamim]

Aaahhh...And I had been posting that prior to my subsequent withdrawal from 160 after 115 years of mostly 190 mind you. I last used methadone, 160, on Friday, July 20th 11 days ago almost to the hour. For the first 8.5 days I only had 150 mgs. of Benadryl but only once, all others 100 mg. and these were my symptoms for that period: Beginning on almost the 70th hour of cessation I began cramping a tad bit and aside from dreading the dropping of the hammer was quite ok. After 4 days of cessation I had central back pain as well and aside from a general malaise I had one evening of moderate sweating on the 7th evening. Cramping was consistent throughout preventing me from ingesting anything other than one plate of boiled white rice and daily soda pop the entire week. Additionaly, the cramping may or may not be related to Hep-C so that is not a given either.


Subjectively I have a very high tolerance as well as a very long history of steady dosing at an ultra high dosage level so I did believe that my symptoms would be VERY bad. Amazingly, the ones listed were all! On the 8.5 day mark I was able to source Ultram 50 mg. tabs in unlimited supply and there after, for the next 2 days, dosed at 750 mgs. per day in 2 staggered dosages. NOTE: NEVER use more than 400 daily unless assuming the risk of a possibly fatal seizure. I am aware of the substance's properties perhaps better than some and therefore felt the risk negligible but this is merely subjective.

Then, on July 30th I received 75 dried pods and have been well sated since my ordeal, if you could even come close to calling it that. In fact, I still have the back pain and this might be a concurrent condition as well. It is now July 31st here, 1440 local time.

It sounds unbelievable but I charted it well in my Journal so it is not in retrospect,etc.

Death IS possible if one has underlying conditions, etc. Electrolytes ARE left in flux, etc,. but I would offer that in almost all cases it is not a fatal event. This was actually my 5th time Cold Turkey although it has been my longest period without it since 1991. I am ecstatic that it is through and as long as I can keep myself sane without it I will try to maintain sans any maintanence doages of any substance.

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ If its not too personal may I ask why you:
1: decided to jump off the methadone after so long?
2. did it cold turkey?

I noticed you've been referencing your situation quite a bit the past week or so, and I might have missed it, but if you'd be willing....

 

[rachamim]

Fyodor: It can happen and if you are looking for anecdotal evidence please be my guest. I did it years ago and today I am not really trying to though if you really are interested please pm me at around the end of the week and I will do my best to oblige. In almost all cases the metabolic changes related to w/d have aggravated concurrent conditions resulting in death. There is one case , US, where the autopsy DOSE blame w/d but then we do not know if that means anything at all because 1 case is most likely related to shoddy p[rocedures, etc. The point is, if you have an underlying condition, you should not attempt it without medical advice and/or supervision, preferrably both.

Receptorles: Most of it is mental. If you are able to pick up, you surely will I think unless fully committed. I was and am not fully anything but do happen to be an in a very strange situation that left me no option so that I had no choice but to go without as I did. I would not have chosen nor recommended it although I am proud of my discipline in not going ballisitic as I thought I would do at the very least.

 

[rachamim]

To say it can not lead from death simply because you have no anecdotal evidence ito the contrary is a cop out. I usually do tell people to man up and go for it, as I was forced to do for the past how many days. However, it should never be soemthing you seek because your system is in flux,, especially from high dosages and usage lengthss. How many long term methadone users do any of you know whop do not regularly abuse at least one other substance? Even nicotine? Concurrent usage leads to all kinds of unmexpected results and these things should be considered. Although I have been blessed this time, and alot WAS due to neccessity as in no other choice, given that I HAVE defecated onmyself for days at a time I can say with certainly it is not to be approached lightly. I am frankly mystified at my great expereince, as I have always had terrible w/d.

 

[rachamim]

Listen, with me you can ask any long term Bler and you will find that nothing is in the least personal to me, whether you choose to insult me or ask my home address. I freely offer up all sorts of information in the interest of harm reduction, or maybe you know because we have talked often enough over the years you have been here.

In my case, I left Israel where I had been on MMT and came to my wife's nation, the Philippines.

The Philippines is an anomaly in Asia. It is one of only 3 nations in the entire continent that has no illicit trade in opiates/opioids (well actually there are 300 odd IDUs who use Nabulphine hcl. of all things on another island but they are obviously iimpossible to connect with because among other things that paticular city has a population of more than 1.5 million just within city limits. Try to find 300 junkies, most of whomare MIA at any given momement, in a Third World city).

In addition, the Philippines is the only nation at all in Asia, including N. Korea, that does not stock codeine in its hospitals. This nation models itself in terms of policy as much as possible after the US and as such goes the step further by even making cancer patients suffer without morphine in many cases as my wife's grandma is doing now on Cebu!

I have been here for a month there abouts and came with 14 bottles of 160 each and made them last a bit but as I said that was only until the 20th. I gave in and ordered Pods even though importing them is a death penalty offence, and indeed did think I had been caught until they were delivered unexpectedly yesteday afternoon.

I do have a large homegrown crop but they are drying now. I could not even incise due to Monsoon coming one month early this year! Seems like the chips are against me, right? Luckily I have maybe enough pods to last a decade or more. I ordered the dried pods because I was planning of course on incising my homegrown but rain saps alkaloids as much as 70 percent and I felt that in mowing them I would benefit a bit more at this point.

Feel free to ask anything "save sourcing per BL rules". That is the idea of the forum.

 

[brokenandpainless]

good luck, hope you can pull off that kind of cold turkey.

 

[Virtuoso]

From what I've heard, the Philippines is basically the trailer park of Asia. Seems like an ass backward place.