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cold turkey from 220mg methadone habit advice

shake2 said:
its 2 weeks today the sub help alot i need to get them refilled tomorrow do you think i should opr just go ahead and quit taking that to. i was thinking to take the subs another week to juts to be on the safe side and let a full 3weeks for all this to pass and perhaps makie it easier. advice on should i get this refill. i think i should but only discomfort isd mild leg pain. i dont want to get a habit fgor the bup after getting over the 220mg of methadone. ADVICE PEOPLE OR OPINIONS
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Well you already have a habit for the bupe, considering it's just another opiate, so you are back to being dependant on opiates, albeit a partial antagonist this time. I'd suggest getting the refill, and tapering down your suboxone dose. If you're on 4-6mg a day, I'd suggest taking 4mg a day for a week, then 2mg a day for a week, 1.5mg a day for a week, 1mg a day for a week, 0.5mg a day for a week, then 0.5mg every other day for a week, then stop taking it entirely.

You could do a quicker taper, but don't jump off the subs at 4mg a day or you're gonna be back in a world of hurt. The slower the taper, the more painless it will be, which is why I suggest such a long, drawn out taper schedule. Do what you want, but if you want to get off the subs (well, opioids in general), I'd suggest following my taper schedule to the T, as tapering your dose down will lessen the pain you'll feel when you do finally get off it, and therefore make it less likely for you to relapse.

What you really need to do is stop fucking with all other opioids (you said you took morphine, which isn't doing you any good when you're on bupe), taper the sub as I directed, and follow the schedule religiously. No cheating on dosing, and when you're done with the taper you shouldn't feel much withdrawal at all, and will have a greater chance of actually quitting for good.

~CTdopeLove
 
Watch out for PAWS, though

^^...I'm in complete agreement.

But, after getting off of the buprenorphrine, be aware that the PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) may linger for a LONG time. YMMV, but I have seen it last like a year (occasionally longer). That's the cravings, the little voice in the back of your head/devil on your shoulder ("Sure, you're clean now...you can handle getting high once in awhile, etc...").

Don't listen to that voice. You'll be right back to where you started (though probably worse this time). YMMV...
 
i stopped the bupe 2 days ago. i feel fine. its good thehave that methadone cloud shrouding my head 220mg methadone can be beat you just need to be strong have mental support, xanax and immodium with bube about a week later but for longer than 2 weeks its 13 days now and the bupe is gone i still take the xanax to ease all else but it was alot less worse than i thought it would be. pm me if you EVER consider wdin from 220 mg methaone

all physical symptoms have ceased, wdin from this was way over hiped or atlwas i thought it was
 
hope you didnt just build bupe up in your sysytem ,30 8mg bupes are gone in 13 days?.....are you saying you took them?
 
To any newbies reading this thread, let me be the first to tell you.

Cold turkey from 220mg methadone is NOT overhyped. This guy is just some sort of crazy anomoly. It is tourture. I would rather go without food for 7 days than be in the middle of a 220mg methadone cold turkey withdrawl.
 
HYDRO_CHRONIC said:
hope you didnt just build bupe up in your sysytem ,30 8mg bupes are gone in 13 days?.....are you saying you took them?
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Im sure that this guy shake2 is full of bullshit, dont let him fool you guys, his addiction isnt really as bad as he says it is.
 
nile420 said:
Im sure that this guy shake2 is full of bullshit, dont let him fool you guys, his addiction isnt really as bad as he says it is.
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wow your are to accurate. yea why i want to get some advice if something isnt happening.its 2 months now and the mental flood of my past wrecks and dealing with hurricane katrina came back all to real since the fog is gone. glad to think you think iam bullshiting but dude you have no idea. getting treatment for PTSD cause remember nothing about being in a hospital for 3 weeks. my addiction is gone so it isnt bad AT ALL

but thanks for the hating dude
 
As for the detox from that high dosage, it is certainly not ajoke as it can actually kill a person and this is not an exaggeration.


Subjectively, I was able to mule my bottles, only 14 sadly, past Customs and Immigration without any difficulty. My taper is fine off of 160 and today I go to seemy crop which has ab0out 4 more weeks before lancing. I am told some are already in flower so things look great thank G...D.
 
Edit: question for rachamim

Sweet. I assume you're going to smoke the final product? If so, are you going to boil the latex to remove some of the organic matter or are you just going to smoke it as is once it's dry?
 
I haven't read through this whole page, but if you go cold turkey from 220 you will die. Period. The end.

Go back to the clinic or some kind of rehab program.
 
you most likely wouldn't die, but you'll wish you were dead. I went from around 180-200mg/day to 0 and wanted to kill myself for about 1 month. Didn't sleep for about 2 weeks and worked full time the entire period. I came close to doing the deed a few times. vomiting, sweating, complete insomnia, horrible back and leg pain for about 2-3 weeks. All to the point of delirium. It was horrible. I had nothing but some OTC stuff to help and it didn't help with most of the physical and all of the mental symptoms. IT WAS THE HARDEST THING I'VE GONE THROUGH IN MY WHOLE LIFE!!!! However, I made it out and was clean for a very long time. 2+ years nothing.
 
Bigger:There is no way that you can tell anyone that they will "Probably not die." Neither can you tell someone the converse. Fact of the matter is, again, an abrupt cessarion from such a high dosage can easily kill a person. It easily produces shock, it plays with electrolytes, dehydrates quickly, and causes abberations in heartbeat.

You stopped 180? That is great. Unfortunately though, you are not atypical. Offering advice based soley upon your subjective experience is nearly worthless. Offering it in conjunction with sound and factual advice...or offering it with the warning that it is merely subjective are both good ways to express it.

I am glad though that you made it ok afterwards...
 
show me verified reports of opiate wd deaths.... only benzos and alcohol can do that...

but yeah..thats too much for cold turkey..i was on 400mg oxycontin a day...i tapered down..... just went through horrible withdrawals..like in the movies

for 3 days..i couldnt take it...i just 30mg of hydrocodone3xday

next week 15mg hydrocodone3xday

next week 10mg3xday

etc...beat the addiction without suboxone or methadone...u got thru the tough part, that physical pain and shit
 
i have done plenty of detoxes off of heroin and bupe (like Shake2 often just said 'fuck it') but none were anywhere near as horrific as cold turkey off 17.5mg of methadone... after 5 days of agony i eventually gave up and went back to using.

I just cannot begin to imagine the pain associated with coming off 220mg methadone cold turkey. In fact, I dont think it would be possible to successfully complete the detox without using other opiods (bupe, codeine or whatever), unless perhaps you were incarcerated.
 
I had to register just to give some advice:

Get a doctor. PERIOD. Apparantly you have one : clonidine .1mg q4h and xanax will help. However, you should be supervised. Opiate detox supposedly will "not kill you" but don't believe it. With poor food habits and eating/drinking/shitting habits you are doing unbelievable homeostasis harm to your body. You are going to be in agony and this is going to play into believing something is dooming your body to death.

Expect 1 month, and then add more days to this because you are using an extreme dose of a GABA drug. Get pregabalin (lyrica) or neurontin (gabapentin) and get the hell off these rollercoster drugs.
 
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