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Codeine to treat a bad trip

Codeine is nassssty. I could think of better ways to ease a trip than inducing major itchiness. If he enjoys codeine though then he might like it.
 
even if your CWE technique is perfect, there is still caffeine mixed with the codeine, and that kind of combo is not optimal for easing someone's mind.
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You from Canada by any chance? OP didn't give a location, I don't see why you'd assume he can only get caffeine-containing codeine.
 
Ismene said:
Codeine won't have any real effect
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I'd imagine if you take proper dose that gives you euphoria it will take all the anxiety away, haven't tried with psychedelics but surely it will help with weed anxiety.

Ismene said:
There's no reason why benzo's would kill the trip other than the placebomine. Certainly there's nothing in a benzo that's going to lessen the effect of LSD in the slightest.
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In my experience benzos significantly reduces the effects of psychedelics. They take almost all the visuals and psychedelic mind set away, so basically = kills it. Even small doses like 0,5mg alprazolam.
 
greenmeanies said:
^um, no. even if your CWE technique is perfect, there is still caffeine mixed with the codeine, and that kind of combo is not optimal for easing someone's mind.
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Exsqueeze me? Not sure what you mean Green, you can find codiene without caffiene in any pharmacy in the country.

if the tripper is still lucid enough to understand "drink this, it will make you feel better, there is a light at the end of the tunnel -- the sunrise not a train", i strongly believe that sugarwater is 100% better than codeine CWE. if

Nah - just hearing some dude say "This will make you feel better" and then giving you a multivitamin isn't going to be anywhere near as powerful as a drug that you can feel affecting your body. That's why in placebo studies they often give drugs that you can physically feel so you think "Somethings happening to me".
 
Ne0 said:
In my experience benzos significantly reduces the effects of psychedelics. They take almost all the visuals and psychedelic mind set away, so basically = kills it. Even small doses like 0,5mg alprazolam.
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Yeah - for some people the placebo effect is very powerful. The point I was making was there's absolutely nothing in a benzo that's going to "decrease" the effects of LSD in your body.

The only reason it took away your visuals was because some guy gave it to you and said "This will make you feel better dude". A benzo can't "kill a trip" - it's all in your mind.

If he'd snipped a winnet of shit off his arsehole hair and put that in a capsule and said "This will make you feel better dude" that would have taken away your visuals too.
 
^ Do you have a degree in pharmacology, biochemistry or any other related field to make such statements?

"Benzo can't make you sleepy - it is all in you mind".
 
I don't need a degree in pharmacology to know that benzos won't inactivate LSD in the human brain or body. Just common sense. Can you offer up the mechanism by which the benzo molecule deactivates LSD?

You'll be saying Kia-orange juice "kills a trip" next.
 
benzodiazepines for psychosis-induced aggression or agitation

benzos may not actually improve the subjective direction of a trip, but it will provide public safety if the tripper is psychotic (obviously a case where the placebo effect is not going to work)

if the tripper is coherent and having an unpleasant trip, i believe sugarwater and a change in music will be much better than codeine. "a drug that you can feel working" may not be the best thing for a difficult moment. what if you miscalculate and make a bad situation worse? drug mixing while already under the influence isn't the best course of action. hell, most "bad trips" i've seen were people who thought they had forgotten to breathe, and thus began panicking about remembering to take their next breath instead of relaxing and counting to ten. why would you want to add respiratory depression?

orange juice can kill a trip :)
 
i have never used codeine for helping with a bad trip if i feel a bit edgy i have some nos and all is fine....codeine is great for the comdown tho ;) and i guess it would help 1 relax if feeling edgy....have a good trip!
 
Ismene, I have heard other people say that benzos have stopped a trip in its tracks completely. I don't understand how it works, either, but I think it's important not to ignore the testimony of others because it is at odds with your limited scientific understanding (and I'm really not trying to bash you by saying that, my understanding is limited too, as you said none of us are experts).
 
Yeah Vadar, I've no doubt it can stop a bad trip in certain people - but as I've already said it's absolutely nothing to do with the benzo doing anything - it's 100% pure placebo.

orange juice can kill a trip

Only from fresh florida oranges - orange juice from spanish oranges makes a trip worse.
 
Ismene said:
it's 100% pure placebo.
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You can't be serious? I think anxiety is a big part of a bad trip, and reducing it with a benzo is surely going to help. And it seems reasonable that increasing inhibitory GABA neurotransmission would counter some of the stimulatory effects of 5-HT2A agonists on the glutamate system.
 
Yes, I'm serious as cancer.

Can you define in what sense you are using the word "anxiety"? To me, someone in the depths of a bad trip is in a state a little more severe than "anxious".

What dose of benzo's are you talking? If you're talking about taking them to hospital and them having an injection powerful enough to reduce them to a zombie then you probably have a case. If you're talking about popping a couple of lorazepam with your orange juice to "kill the trip" then I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit.
 
Ismene said:
Something that you can feel is going to have a much more powerful placebo effect than a multivitamin.
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What I can feel is going to have a greater impact on the trip and what Ive told the tripper is going to have a greater impact are two seperate things.


If I say to somebody who is tripping hard that Im by giving them codeine and it will help (bearing in mind that codeine can set off a histmamine reaction) and actually give them a multivitamin pill (that will have zero negative effects) which will have the exact same (placebo) effect, then, I'm sorry but I will give them a multivitamin pill each and every time!

Ive had friends who are tripping out drink a glass of ice water (that Ive told them will make them feel better/less trippy). Now IF that drink was vodka/coke they would feel less trippy but would also feel the effects of the vodka!
 
^thanks for agreeing bearlove :)

ismene, i would most definitely define the depths of a bad trip as being "anxiety". whether it is a physical, emotional, or spiritual concern, the beginning and end of a bad trip is usually anxiety or fear. anxiolytics are absolutely helpful here, while painkillers are simply the wrong tool for the job.
 
Ismene said:
Yes, I'm serious as cancer.

Can you define in what sense you are using the word "anxiety"? To me, someone in the depths of a bad trip is in a state a little more severe than "anxious".

What dose of benzo's are you talking? If you're talking about taking them to hospital and them having an injection powerful enough to reduce them to a zombie then you probably have a case. If you're talking about popping a couple of lorazepam with your orange juice to "kill the trip" then I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit.
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I agree it's probably more than just being anxious, though I think that is a major component, and benzos in fairly low doses (eg 1mg clonazepam) can completely eliminate moderate anxiety. I don't see how you can deny that this is likely to be of at least some benefit. Benzos are powerful drugs, that have strong effects on otherwise sober people, why would it be any different when tripping? Orange juice is not, and probably has minimal psychological effect on anyone, unless they're conviced otherwise.

And it doesn't seem unreasonable that benzos could reduce the effects of psychedelics generally, despite not acting on the 2A receptor; mGlu2/3 agonists also do this, a bit more directly, and in mice/rats at least. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the possibility.
 
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I think the trouble is defining what a "bad trip" is - 1mg of clonazapam is about the dose you'd start taking every day if you were worried about a job interview next week. If you're on your first trip screaming in a blind panic and running down the street naked I don't think it's going to do the trick.
 
Bearlove said:
What I can feel is going to have a greater impact on the trip and what Ive told the tripper is going to have a greater impact are two seperate things.


If I say to somebody who is tripping hard that Im by giving them codeine and it will help (bearing in mind that codeine can set off a histmamine reaction) and actually give them a multivitamin pill (that will have zero negative effects) which will have the exact same (placebo) effect, then, I'm sorry but I will give them a multivitamin pill each and every time!
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It doesn't have the same effect as something you can "feel working". The placebo effect works on an unconscious level as well as a conscious level. Just telling someone "This will work" isn't as powerful as them feeling something happening them to them.

Remember the magic mushroom Marsh Chapel experiment? They gave half the people mushrooms and half nicotinic acid. They could have just given half a multi-vitamin pill and said "These are magic mushrooms" but if you actually feel an effect the placebo effect is multiplied massively.
 
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