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Codeine - Semi-experienced - My codeine nightmare

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ss2brandon

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So having been out of oxycodone, normally i take 100mg up to 300 mg daily when times are good :). My "pharmacist" is out of ox and so i acquired some t3's in an attempt to get proper off of codeine. Woke up at 2 am hurting like fuck.

Also have the flu. I took 21 t3's and then get on the computer and start listening to music. Ten to fifteen minutes later my lips start tingling. I stand up and my chest and face start burning up. I stumble to the mirror and see that my entire upper body resembles rudolph the red nose fucken reindeer. My vision starts getting blurry and my heart rate becomes faint and fast, like a hummingbird. I put my finger down my throat and throw up some nasty white bile shit.

I stumble to the med cabinet and pop a prometh 25 mg and diphendyr 100 mg. I stumble to the bathroom and fall on the floor. my pulse appears to be gone and i'm sweating like I'm on day 3 of a wicked w/d. I stumble back to the kitchen and get a diet dr pepper for some caffeine. I dunno lol seemed like a good idea. I fall on the bathroom floor and find that if i don't move i can feel my heartbeat pounding in my temporal area. My feet feel like they're filling with water and my eyes are crossing. My legs start pimple like formations all over. Breathing and throat felt fine the entire time so i don't believe it was anaphalaxysis just a wicked wicked histamine release.

Be careful when switching drugs and using those calculators. I even calculated in a 40 percent cross tolerance reduction because the calc said to take 1200 mg of codeine. Luckily, I only took 600 some odd mg's. Just a warning that histamine is a nasty nasty way to start the morning. Literally the entire time i felt like i was going to die. Not fun! Thanks for reading if you do.
 
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sorry i had to type fast so there is a lot of typos. specifically promethazine, diphenhydramine, anaphylaxis
 
Wait doesn't t3 contain 300mg of paracetamol as well?

You really should always have some anti histamines ready with codeine. Lucky me I get no reactions, I've taken up to 2000mg of codeine due to tolerance (something I advise anyone do not do, unless they know the drug, have the experience and have done the research) and still get no histamine reaction.

Hope you are feeling better now though..?
 
I'm the same Sieth. No real histamine reaction.

What I have found is my body can't tolerate Ibuprofen any more though! I used to dose by popping 8, and CWEing the rest of the packet of 24 (these are 12.8mg/200mg tablets), but now if I do that I'll end up vomiting about 4 hours later. *shudder

To the OP, 21 tablets at 30mg/300mg adds up to 630mg of Codeine. Now, I know you have an Oxycodone tolerance, but opiates only cause incomplete cross tolerance, as you just found out. I take that sort of dosage, but Codeine is my DOC (I love Australia sometimes) at the moment, so it makes it easier on the body with a direct tolerance to Codeine.

In addition, you consumed 6100mg; 6.1 grams of APAP. This isn't good for your liver at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to your adverse reaction (see above for me and ibuprofen).

Note to others: test the waters first, titrate a dose up, and do a cold-water extraction of APAP containing pills. Your liver and body will thank you.
 
ss2brandon said:
so having been out of oxycodone, normally i take 100mg up to 300 mg daily when times are good :). so my "pharmacist" is out of ox and so i acquired some t3's in an attempt to get proper off of codeine. woke up at 2 am hurting like fuck. also have the flu. i took 21 t3's and then get on the computer and start listening to music. ten to fifteen minutes later my lips start tingling. i stand up and my chest and face start burning up. i stumble to the mirror and see that my entire upper body resembles rudolph the red nose fucken reindeer. my vision starts getting blurry and my heart rate becomes faint and fast. like a hummingbird. i put my finger down my throat and throw up some nasty white bile shit. i stumble to the med cabinet and pop a prometh 25 mg and diphendyr 100 mg. i stumble to the bathroom and fall on the floor. my pulse appears to be gone and i'm sweating like im on day 3 of a wicked w/d. i stumble back to the kitchen and get a diet dr pepper for some caffeine. i dunno lol seemed like a good idea. i fall on the bathroom floor and find that if i don't move i can feel my heartbeat pounding in my temporal area. my feet feel like they're filling with water and my eyes are crossing. my legs start pimple like formations all over. breathing and throat felt fine the entire time so i don't believe it was anaphalaxysis just a wicked wicked histamine release. but not sure. be careful when switching drugs and using those calculators. i even calculated in a 40 percent cross tolerance reduction because the calc said to take 1200 mg of codeine. luckily i only took 600 some odd mg's. just a warning that histamine is a nasty nasty way to start the morning. literally the entire time i felt like i was going to die. not fun! thanks for reading if you do.
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600mg is like about the most the liver can even convert to morphine and other shit(not exact on how it works..), so you pretty much took the highest dose of codeine possible. Codeine has a particularly strong histamine reaction but this seems almost like you allergic to codeine or something?.. This had nothing to do with the calculator being wrong or whatever, but more you're sensitive as fuck to codeine.

I mean if you can tolerate 300mg of oxycodone, 600mg of codeine shouldn't be much of a shock to the system, so to speak. Unless of course you're sensitive to it or allergic to it, and it just rapes you like what has happend to you here. If codeine didn't have a ceiling dose, 300mg oxycodone would be equivilent to 3000mg of codeine, get what i mean? And it's not like oxycodone dosn't have it's own histamine release too... I've dosed 600mg-800mg of codeine without any tolerance, never got anywhere near the degree of histamine bullshit you did.
 
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Ok, ss2brandon. Periods, capitalization, and paragraphs are a must when writing a trip report. I felt generous and fixed what I could. Just remember to edit your own reports before posting or afterwards, if needed. Happy tripping.
 
i never said the calculator was wrong. just saying it can be dangerous taking large amounts of opiates that you've never taken before.

*Edit: Oh and thank you Chemical Companion, for taking the time to edit and fix my mashed up mangled word jumble I tried to pass off as a trip report. I promise my reports will be easy to read from now on.
 
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You seem to be sensitive or allergic to codeine. At lower doses you might be fine, but at 600 mg, it shows up!

Personally, I've seen this happen to people before with codeine. I've even witnessed a girl go through this with only 90mg of codeine.

I don't think the APAP had anything to do with it. While 6 grams is a larger amount to take at one time, most healthy people won't have problems with this. Usually with APAP, after taking a toxic amount, like >15 grams, 6+ grams can do more damage. I took 15 grams of APAP over an 8 hour period once and I was sick for 2 days straight. However, I didn't have red rashes/blotches on my skin like your recation to codeine.

Anyways, unfortunately codeine doesn't do much for oxy withdrawls. It's usually the easiest thing to come by when going through withdrawls. I always got my hopes up only to be disappointed by how short lived it is. Plus, taking high doses causes undersireable effects.
 
8L4YN3 said:
600mg is like about the most the liver can even convert to morphine and other shit(not exact on how it works..), so you pretty much took the highest dose of codeine possible.
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I personally think everyone is different and this number is different for everyone. I also think tolerance does have an effect. When I first started 240mg was fantastic and 600mg was insane. Now 1200mg feels like 240mg and 2000mg feels like 600mg. Taking 2000mg+ takes me back to that first 600mg dose I ever did where I was completely wrecked. I am not exactly sure of the science behind it either and know what you have said can be traced back to studies so I am not disagreeing with you, just sharing my experience :).

C_Tripper said:
In addition, you consumed 6100mg; 6.1 grams of APAP. This isn't good for your liver at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to your adverse reaction (see above for me and ibuprofen).
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Correct, this is very bad for your health, please if you ever decide on using T3's again take the time to do a simple cold water extraction and keep some anti histamines close by :)

Dr_Rolls_MD[MA] said:
I don't think the APAP had anything to do with it.
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Nope neither do I, though I do think it is very silly to take 6100mg of APAP in one go when it only takes 10-30 (depending on how good you are ;)) minutes to do a cold water extraction.
 
Seith said:
I personally think everyone is different and this number is different for everyone. I also think tolerance does have an effect. When I first started 240mg was fantastic and 600mg was insane. Now 1200mg feels like 240mg and 2000mg feels like 600mg. Taking 2000mg+ takes me back to that first 600mg dose I ever did where I was completely wrecked. I am not exactly sure of the science behind it either and know what you have said can be traced back to studies so I am not disagreeing with you, just sharing my experience :).

Correct, this is very bad for your health, please if you ever decide on using T3's again take the time to do a simple cold water extraction and keep some anti histamines close by :)

Nope neither do I, though I do think it is very silly to take 6100mg of APAP in one go when it only takes 10-30 (depending on how good you are ;)) minutes to do a cold water extraction.
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True, i must admit i havn't actually tried doses like that, i had only compared say the effects of 500mg compared to 750mg. But like i've heard other people claim the same thing as you and i dont really doubt it.

Who knows maybe there isnt a ceiling effect, dont see why you and other people would just make up some bullshit story for no reason...lol

Need to see some definitive answers on codeine's mysteries!
 
I have had this exact same reaction man....it really isnt a nice experience. I thought my face was going to explode and i was starting to tear my skin by scratching so hard.

Codeine gives me very very little euphoria, my usual dose is 300mg or so. I still do it on occassion (used to do it alot, despite it giving an insanely mild buzz. I know codeine is mild, but this is almost non-existant but im sure we've all been there when we;ve taken something for the sake of it)

Take an anti-histamine and lower your dose to 400mg or below. 400mg is the ceiling dose where you will not get higher, just experienc unpleasant histamine reaction.
 
^Yeah, codeine has limited recreational potential (especially with tolerance), because of the histamine release it causes. Diphenhydramine helps, but not 100%.
 
Haven`t people died from APAP doses as low as 4 grams, let alone 6.1? I could be mistaken, but that seems like it could potentially have some toxic consequences that might not be apparent right away.

I suggest you should see a doctor and get your liver function checked out as soon as possible, just as a precaution of course. It can`t hurt; it can only help you. You might not be at risk for liver failure (although you might), but liver damage is insidious and could cause problems for you in the long run.
 
i've taken over 12 g of apap in one day. i seriously doubt it had anything to do with the reaction but who knows. and yes i know how to cwe. to me 6.1 g isn't that bad. i've had my liver checked recently and it is FINE.
 
The LD-50 of acetaminophen in 8g. Deaths have been reported with doses as low as 6g.
 
well i'm alive. not being cocky and not saying i'd do it again or all the time. sometimes i just wonder about all these numbers and where they actually apply. your average white male maybe?
i guess someone could potentially die if they took say 6 g everyday for lets say a week or even a few days. im sure its not just a one time thing and bam you're dead. but like i always say, i could be wrong.
 
but for harm reductions sake please don't try this at home. thank god my percocets are 10-325 acetamin. now instead of those god awful 5-500 acets. buggers are a pain to take
 
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