Codeine - Heroin

[joey2007]

How much codeine(mg) would it take to produce a high as strong as heroin ?

 

[djsim]

you can't. the codeine ceiling dose is 400mg. if you could replace heroin with codeine wouldn't everyone just use codeine?

 

[trip2themoon]

If you are after a replacement for heroin try DFs (Dihydrocodeine) It's a much stronger version of codeine. I've tried codeine in the past in high doses and it does nothing for you. (If you're after a high) If you inject make sure you scrape off the slow release coating on your DFs to make them safe.

 

[monstanoodle]

IIf you inject make sure you scrape off the slow release coating on your DFs to make them safe.

Bad advice

 

[Newbierock]

Wow, I don't think i've ever seen advice quite that bad.

Just so you know OP, injecting codeine will kill you.

 

[trip2themoon]

My bad...
I've known people to do that with Misties (MSTs) for the quick fix. I thought the same thing could be done with DFs.

 

[The_Idler]

DHC isn't that much stronger than Co-Co.

and don't even think about injecting either.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Injecting DHC will cause the same, quite possibly deadly, histamine reaction that codeine does. So yeah, don't inject it.

DHC has the advantage of being somewhat more potent then codeine, and also has no ceiling dose. As for comparing codeine and H...well...

 

[trip2themoon]

DHC isn't that much stronger than Co-Co.

and don't even think about injecting either.

It's strong enough to be used as a heroin replacement, and great for toothache too.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ People use codeine to help with WD's as well, at least here in Australia where it's readily available.

 

[joey2007]

well im not a hard-core drug user of any sort. I have done codeine and marijuana and i quite enjoyed the high from codeine.

I'd smoked marijuana quite a few times but was never impressed.

But the first time i had a codeine-based cough syrup(Phensedyl) i was amazed at how good it felt

Sometimes i took a chlorpromazine we well and it enhanced the effects of the codeine.

I was wondering if the codeine high is similar to that of heroin

 

[Mr Blonde]

I was wondering if the codeine high is similar to that of heroin

Somewhat similar, as codeine and heroin are both pro-drugs of morphine. With heroin though, you can keep dosing higher since there isn't a ceiling effect, less of a histamine reaction, and of course you can IV it or smoke it.

 

[The_Idler]

well im not a hard-core drug user of any sort. I have done codeine and marijuana and i quite enjoyed the high from codeine.

I'd smoked marijuana quite a few times but was never impressed.

But the first time i had a codeine-based cough syrup(Phensedyl) i was amazed at how good it felt

Sometimes i took a chlorpromazine we well and it enhanced the effects of the codeine.

I was wondering if the codeine high is similar to that of heroin

I've never done Heroin,
but codeine doesn't feel so much like morphine...

Codeine = Warm & fuzzy
Morphine = Liquid & chilled

same euphoria though.

 

[stereobot]

why will injecting codeine kill you? I'm not doubting that claim, I'm just interested to read the facts of it. I know injecting tylenol is never good, but for the sake of argument, lets say that this codeine is not mixed with tylenol.

 

[The_Idler]

i believe it is called pulmonary oedema,
which suggests your lungs being drowned from the inside-out.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Causes hugely excessive histamine release which leads to pulmonary oedema.

DHC isn't weak, its not one of the strongest by any means, but its not weak, its around 2x the strength of codeine, I used to have huge scripts for it a few years ago, and loved it at around 300-350mg, it had quite a long duration of action in me, kept me high morning until night, although that might be atypical, it doesn't have the same ceiling effect as codeine either.

 

[inSaMity]

For me, codiene was always like masterbation without the payoff. I'd get itchy/tingly, constipation, hard to piss, and a tad bit nauseous... and that's it. I've never once gotten any sort of high from it, so I wouldn't be able to say how it compares to heroin. As far as I'm concerned, there is no comparison. It does help a lot for a real nasty cough though

 

[johanneschimpo]

Really there is no comparison, but if you really really wanted to try, I guess you could say the ceiling dose of codeine, 400mg, could be compared to a small amount of heroin, say 1/2 - 1 east coast bag (50-100mg of decent dope).

Of course, the high, even if "equivalent" is going to be way way better from heroin simply because its a superior drug. Also, the codeine would be taken orally, whereas I don't think many people swallow heroin, so you'd be comparing it to snorting or smoking heroin.

Still, max dose codeine = small amount of heroin

 

[SummerBabe]

^ Right, and for codeine to become metabolized into morphine, it needs to pass through the liver, which means you have to swallow it. In the end, the effect will come on slowly, and as others have mentioned, there's a ceiling to it.

As for heroin, the different RoA's allow the drug to enter your bloodstream much faster, creating a sort of rush that you would never experience with codeine.

It does help for wd's, though, but to what extent depends entirely on how big your H habit was in the first place, and how efficient your liver is at metabolizing codeine. Some people just don't feel it at all, while others can practically nod off higher doses.

 

[The_Idler]

i begin to feel CoCo come on after about 2-3 minutes.

but, as i said, I have an absurdly fast metabolism.

CoCo only lasts 45-60min for me.