Codeine Extraction

[tadfish]

^ they a fucking idiots. thank god for BL its harm reduction of the smart is a great feeling. THose fools deserve it not looking into health effects and knowing the drugs and effects. fuck em sometimes i recon they should make petrol and spray can more toxing, carcinogenic too kill off fool and clean up this world.
WE need more toxic stuff so its killls off paint sniffers and weeds out the weak. Public kulling of the bad.

 

[Moonfog]

A couple questions.

When filtering with a coffee filter, is the 'filter' thing from the coffee maker required? Yes, stupid question probably, but I have been just putting the filter in the glass and holding it at the top with an elastic - is this fine? Just wanted to make sure.

Must the solution remain cold while filtering? Since it takes awhile, should I have it in the fridge while it filters?

Next, how much codeine ( % ) is usually lost in a CWE?

How bad is codeine for tolerance? If one were to do codeine one day at about let's say 140mg, how much should they do two days after to achieve the same effect?



In terms of my first two questions, I'm more concerned about how much codeine I get out of it, I'm not concerned with how much acetaminophen is left, because my final solution has been very clear, so I doubt that is a problem. However, my codeine experiences have been relatively mild.

 

[sparr0w]

The 'filter' thing from the maker is not required. When using the coffee filter method, i've always just put the filter in a glass and held it in by an elastic band just like you've said. However, i find this method personally sucks. It usually takes me a good hour to filter out my codeine using this method.

Having said that - I prefer to use 2x layers of absorbant paper towels. I just put them inside a cup and wack an elastic band around it. Next i wet the paper towel lightly with some water so the solution flows through easier, then i pour the solution into the paper towel and it slowely starts to trickel almost straight away.. Some people say this method is dangerous as the paper towel might break and hence APAP will flow through, however practice makes perfect - i usually get an 'almost' crystal crear solution within 10 minutes

To answer you're other questions, it doesnt really matter if the solution remains cold or not in my experience. As long as its not hot (above 40 degree's C ) so that it doesnt destroy the codeine.

Codeine loss i always factored in about 20% if done correctly. For subsequent nights in dosing, tolerance builds up quickly. If extracting 140mg on night, then you'd wanna bump it up to 150mg - 160 the next. Hope that helps

 

[rolls]

Guys got to an optometrist, buy 2 of those bags used to hold sunglasses. They are made out of silk or satin which is incredibly fine so not to scratch the glasses. Because of this, two bags inside each other make an excellent filter, you can squeeze the mush of codeine, paracetamol and binder and still end up with a clear solution.

Takes about 10 minutes max and you get an awesome filtration, minimal wastage in the filtrate as you can squeeze 90% of the liquid out. The bags are reusable for ever as you can just wash them. I got my bags for free as the optometrist had 100 spare out the back. Highly recommended.

 

[Moonfog]

Thanks sparr0w.

Question regarding combinations.

Would it be good to mix with clonazepam? If so, what dose?

Also, what's the best diphenhydramine dose to mix with it?

All 3 of these together would be a bad idea though, right?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Even just benzos + opioids can be a bad idea because of the increased CNS depression. If you're gonna do that combo, I wouldn't use too much benzo. What's your usual dose of clonazepam? I'd use that or a little less.

As for diphenhydramine, I'm not really a fan (I prefer promethazine), but use 25-50mg half an hour before to increase sedation and take away some of the histamine reaction.

 

[Moonfog]

^ Even just benzos + opioids can be a bad idea because of the increased CNS depression. If you're gonna do that combo, I wouldn't use too much benzo. What's your usual dose of clonazepam? I'd use that or a little less.

As for diphenhydramine, I'm not really a fan (I prefer promethazine), but use 25-50mg half an hour before to increase sedation and take away some of the histamine reaction.

Promethazine brand names?

 

[rolls]

Promethazine brand names?

Phenergan.

 

[belarki]

As for diphenhydramine, I'm not really a fan (I prefer promethazine), but use 25-50mg half an hour before to increase sedation and take away some of the histamine reaction.

I can agree with this. Don't use more though; 25mg is a high dose of promethazine, 50mg and you'll still be feeling drowsy the next day! It has a hefty half life. Needless to say do NOT drive if feeling drowsy in the 24 hours after taking this stuff.

I think you need ID or to give your name and address etc to buy 25mg pills but not the 5mg or 10mg varieties.

It's a decent antihistamine too and a lifesaver if you're allergic to bee stings if I recall correctly?

 

[rolls]

25mg is all most people should need, I've never been asked questions when buying it.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I can agree with this. Don't use more though; 25mg is a high dose of promethazine, 50mg and you'll still be feeling drowsy the next day! It has a hefty half life. Needless to say do NOT drive if feeling drowsy in the 24 hours after taking this stuff.

Heh, I was actually talking about diphenhydramine in that post when I mentioned doses (hence why promethazine was mentioned in brackets, because moonfog was asking about diphen).

Promethazine though is harder to get then codeine, for me at least, not sure why...

 

[KompelZ]

1) Phenergan is hella easy to get; dunno what you're on about blondy. If you're having trouble ask for "avomine" which is the same thing but is generally indicated for nausea as opposed to an antihistamine. If asking for phenergan, say you have hayfever and/or seasonal allergies. If that fails, say your mum/girlfriend/cousin has morning sickness (or if you live in Tasmania, your girlfriend probably is your cousin).

2) I rule.

3) 25-50mgs of promethazine is not a high dose at all. I've read a clinical study where people were given up to 200mgs a day (although the drug is currently only approved for 100mgs a day according to MIMS).

4) It's half-life isn't that long.

5) Yes, I'm briefly back on bluelight although I doubt anyone remembers me. Carry on, good sir.

 

[belarki]

4) It's half-life isn't that long.

Bioavailability: 88% absorbed but after first-pass metabolism reduced to 25% absolute bioavailability

Protein binding: 93%

Metabolism: Hepatic glucuronidation and sulfoxidation

Half life: 16-19 hours

Excretion: Renal and biliary

That's a long enough half life. If I take some at night I still feel drowsy the next morning. Could just be me though.

 

[KompelZ]

No, a long half life is like a week (fluoxetine). Even Valium is known to have a half life of up to 100 hours in some people--to me, that's what you call long.

Granted though, you may feel some residual drowsiness the next day; as is common with other antihistamines too.

 

[belarki]

No, a long half life is like a week (fluoxetine). Even Valium is known to have a half life of up to 100 hours in some people--to me, that's what you call long.

Granted though, you may feel some residual drowsiness the next day; as is common with other antihistamines too.

Okay fair enough, compared to those it's a short half life

 

[dnaenterprises1@ya]

I never have trouble buying promethazine in Victoria. I often buy a 100 pack of codeine and 25mg Phenergan at the same time, but I'll usually tell them one product is for my mum/gf/grannie (which in Victoria thankfully usually means different people Kompelz).

Mr Blonde, you said you take your Phenergan BEFORE you're codeine, is that right?? I prefer promethazine to diphenhydramine as well, esp since you can't get unisom tablets any more. The cough syrup makes me sick.

 

[Mr Blonde]

1) Phenergan is hella easy to get; dunno what you're on about blondy. If you're having trouble ask for "avomine" which is the same thing but is generally indicated for nausea as opposed to an antihistamine. If asking for phenergan, say you have hayfever and/or seasonal allergies. If that fails, say your mum/girlfriend/cousin has morning sickness (or if you live in Tasmania, your girlfriend probably is your cousin).

I didn't say it was hard for everyone, I said it was harder for me... I don't know why maybe I've just had bad luck, I'll try again though with your advice because the stuff is a God-send.

4) It's half-life isn't that long.

It's relatively long, especially in the context of this discussion; compared to most opioids (excepting bupe, methadone, etc...) it has a much longer half-life. You can be sober from your codeine but still be feeling the effects of the promethazine.

Mr Blonde, you said you take your Phenergan BEFORE you're codeine, is that right?? I prefer promethazine to diphenhydramine as well, esp since you can't get unisom tablets any more. The cough syrup makes me sick.

Yeah, I'd usually take it about half an hour or a little less before dosing with codeine. Mmm, all this promethazine talk is making me wish I'd had some today before dosing...

Anyone use Dramamine with their codeine? I didn't like that one either.

 

[moderateuser]

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Anyone use Dramamine with their codeine? I didn't like that one either.

Car sickness Tablets isn't it? They used to just make me sleep when I was a kid.

However, I recently took about 90mgs of Codeine with a Polaramine. Half an hour later a just fell asleep for about 5hrs before getting any effect (other than drowsiness of course.) Is that usual?

 

[Mr Blonde]

Car sickness Tablets isn't it? They used to just make me sleep when I was a kid.

Yeah those are the ones. Put me right out as well without adding much to the codeine.

Regarding polaramine (dexchlorpheniramine maleate):

Was it a 2mg dose?

Wouldn't surprise me, two sedatives combined often equals sleep.

 

[KompelZ]

If you guys are looking for a good potentiator, you may want to try Travacalm Original:

~Snip~

I've had luck with it; both Dimenhydrate and Hyoscine are known to work, although if you don't like Dramamine, maybe you should avoid it. Personally, I didn't mind it--although it can give you the driest mouth imaginable. It's cheap as too.

P.S. don't worry about the caffeine, that amount is nothing--considering your average cup of coffee has like 100mgs of the stuff.

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