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Codeine Extraction
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The_Idler
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wtf is a tabsule?
Carsick
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^ A caplet.
todaymylove
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Hey everyone, I wanted to post the extraction method I use as I find it to be very efficient. I found this on the shroomery- I post there more often than here. Anyways, I was wondering what you guys thought about this extraction. If most of you are worried about absorbing the unwanted aspects of the yr. tablets, this extraction might be the best (although maybe more time sonsuming): In the end I am normally left with 5 ml of clear solution. That's right, only 5 ml. According to the solubility of aspirin this leaves room for practically NONE to be dissolved.
The method is copied from the shroomery, and is as follows:
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This doesn't work so well with acetaminophen, only aspirin. While dealing with oxycodone withdrawals, this is something I'd use to get enough codeine to be able to make it through regular tasks. This method uses the Aspirin & Codeine tabs available OTC in any Canadian pharmacy. I'll bet there's some 30mg codeine & aspirin equivelant of Tylenol 3's that would be available if you ask your doctor (or maybe even pharmacist), when they're about to write/fill your prescription as well, but don't quote me on that... if anyone knows for sure I'd be interested to know.
1. Get the pill and crush them up as finely as possible. A mortal and pestle is probably the best thing to use, but otherwise I'm sure you can figure something out. MAKE SURE it's a nice fine powder, if it's too chunky your results will not be nearly as good.
2. Get a veterinary syringe, many pharmacies carry them... I'm sure all you shroom growers could use a spore syringe, just take the needle off. Cut out a little circle of napkin or paper towel, and using a stick of some sort, push it down flat against the bottom part of the syringe so it acts as a filter.
3. Pour in about 2-3cm worth of crushed tablet powder, and then add some water, about enough that there's 1/2 - 1 cm above where the powder ends.
4. Put the plunger in and apply pressure, you should have to press pretty hardto force the water through, and let it drip into a glass. There will be no aspirin in there, and most of the codeine...
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What do you guys think of this extraction method? Provided you can get ASA with codeine, it is very easy to do, and to me has been very effective.
The fact that you are left with such small amounts of water leads me to beleive the absorption of aspirin into the solution is very small, or non-existant.
The tablets I use weight around 470mg in total. They contain 375 mg of ASA. When the extraction is left over virtually all of the powder that I began with is still present.
The method is copied from the shroomery, and is as follows:
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This doesn't work so well with acetaminophen, only aspirin. While dealing with oxycodone withdrawals, this is something I'd use to get enough codeine to be able to make it through regular tasks. This method uses the Aspirin & Codeine tabs available OTC in any Canadian pharmacy. I'll bet there's some 30mg codeine & aspirin equivelant of Tylenol 3's that would be available if you ask your doctor (or maybe even pharmacist), when they're about to write/fill your prescription as well, but don't quote me on that... if anyone knows for sure I'd be interested to know.
1. Get the pill and crush them up as finely as possible. A mortal and pestle is probably the best thing to use, but otherwise I'm sure you can figure something out. MAKE SURE it's a nice fine powder, if it's too chunky your results will not be nearly as good.
2. Get a veterinary syringe, many pharmacies carry them... I'm sure all you shroom growers could use a spore syringe, just take the needle off. Cut out a little circle of napkin or paper towel, and using a stick of some sort, push it down flat against the bottom part of the syringe so it acts as a filter.
3. Pour in about 2-3cm worth of crushed tablet powder, and then add some water, about enough that there's 1/2 - 1 cm above where the powder ends.
4. Put the plunger in and apply pressure, you should have to press pretty hardto force the water through, and let it drip into a glass. There will be no aspirin in there, and most of the codeine...
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What do you guys think of this extraction method? Provided you can get ASA with codeine, it is very easy to do, and to me has been very effective.
The fact that you are left with such small amounts of water leads me to beleive the absorption of aspirin into the solution is very small, or non-existant.
The tablets I use weight around 470mg in total. They contain 375 mg of ASA. When the extraction is left over virtually all of the powder that I began with is still present.
Nightmare Girl
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Just out of interest, here is my quick extraction method. I put the tablets in tap water striaght from the tap because there's no need for warm water. As long as the water gets inside the tablets the codeine will get out. So it doesn't even matter if they don't break up properly like Chemist's Own tabsules.
Then I don't stir at all because the codeine loses it's salt pretty easierly and so you just lose more by stirring it. The codeine will still get into the water.
The colder you have the water the longer it takes to filter. So I don't make it colder at all. Then I filter through coffee filters and that's it. It all takes about 20 minutes from start to finish and you should lose less.
2 tablets of paracetamol dissolve in 150 mls of water at 21 degrees. So tap water is safe. Even in summer I doubt it would even be 21 degrees striaght from the tap.
Nightmare Girl.
Then I don't stir at all because the codeine loses it's salt pretty easierly and so you just lose more by stirring it. The codeine will still get into the water.
The colder you have the water the longer it takes to filter. So I don't make it colder at all. Then I filter through coffee filters and that's it. It all takes about 20 minutes from start to finish and you should lose less.
2 tablets of paracetamol dissolve in 150 mls of water at 21 degrees. So tap water is safe. Even in summer I doubt it would even be 21 degrees striaght from the tap.
Nightmare Girl.
what is the point of saying thatNightmare Girl said:
use approx 2ml of yeh tap water per tablet, and yes they need to be mixed/crushed into a pastey solution so all the codeine is dissolved, why would you not stir? why would tabsules that dont dissolve/separate nicely be no worse, they are worse
That can't possibly be true. It makes no sense.Nightmare Girl said:
Wrong again. It is very difficult to change something (ie causing codeine to lose it's salt) on a molecular level simply by stirring it.
I don't disagree with this part, but I'm glad that you're willing to be the guinea pig. Go get a liver test and let us know how you go....
Mr Blonde
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Lol, you're kidding right? The only way you're gonna base you're codeine is if you drop some NaOH or something in it; stirring won't do shit. 8)
had fasebase codeine the other day
always doing codeine extracts and see people trying all sorts of shit
patience is key, junkies can't wait and go drink a bottle of pain stop and liver fails
u must spend some time to get those baddies out otherwise ya going end up with more problems with ya liver than using any amount of H, oxys or morph.
codeine has risks, treat it with respect like other opiates.
I find mixing some codeine with phenergan and dihydrocodeine and some other downers on hand nice.
no one in this thread really answers everyones posts with things other than there method 10 times.
but its a good thread for the occasional codeine user and person of interest
always doing codeine extracts and see people trying all sorts of shit
patience is key, junkies can't wait and go drink a bottle of pain stop and liver fails
u must spend some time to get those baddies out otherwise ya going end up with more problems with ya liver than using any amount of H, oxys or morph.
codeine has risks, treat it with respect like other opiates.
I find mixing some codeine with phenergan and dihydrocodeine and some other downers on hand nice.
no one in this thread really answers everyones posts with things other than there method 10 times.
but its a good thread for the occasional codeine user and person of interest
bought panadeine tabsules the other day and they were blue and sucked. took ages to disolve and when they did went all gooey and filtered terribly. so today went and bought panadeine tablets and they disolved within 10 min with no crushing and there was a nice seperation between the solid and liquid which made filtering alot easier. i used 50 8 mg codeine/500mg paracetomol so assuming i lost a bit of codeine say i had around 300 or so mg. i got pretty itchy but effects were still really mild. i have no opiate tolerance so wondering is codeine meant to be really subtle (like so subtle ur not sure if ur feeling it or its a placebo)
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Nightmare Girl said:
I have never never heard such dribble in my life.
Codeine will dissociate when it dissovles into codeine and a sulphate ion. This is what happens when something dissolves, the codeine is still completely active.
You must crush the tablets up and dissolve them properly, putting them in the water will get about 2% of the codeine out rofl.
On the topic of filtering I've found the best method to be to use is those really really fine glasses cases. Get two of them inside each other and squeeze it out. Comes out almost crystal clear.
Also Phenergan (promethazine hydrochloride 25mg) tablets will completely remove the itchiness and potentiate the codeine.
They are a strong OTC anti-histamine.
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I have a question about the amount of water needed to properly dissolve the codeine into the water.
I've seen these tables posted in numerous places, not sure of their correctness, but I otherwise have no reason to doubt them:
Solubility of miscellaneous substances in 100ml of pure water
Name..............31°C water......21°C water
Aspirin.............1g....................0.33g
Ibuprofen......<1g.................<1g
Paracetamol....1.43g...............0.66g
Codeine..........43.48g.............142.86g
|Codeine Type|.......Solubility (31C water)|....Solubility (21C water)|
Aspirin.....................1g / 100 ml.....................1g / 300ml
Acetaminophen.......1g / 70 ml.......................1g / 150 ml
Codeine...................1g / 2.3 ml......................1g / 0.7 ml
The numbers convert correctly between the two tables.
Now, say I have 24 Panafen Plus tabs (12.8mg codeine, 200mg ibuprofen), this makes 307.2mg codeine and 4800mg ibuprofen. According to the tables, I would need about 700ml of water at 31°C to dissolve the codeine. To get this figure, I did 307.2/43.48 = ~7.06.
This seems an awful lot of water, and nearly every extraction technique I've seen uses less water than this, maybe 100ml or 200ml. However, when I've used 100 or 200ml water, I seem to get a LOT of wasted codeine, probably around 90%.
I'm assuming that the small amount of water I've been using is the problem, and the solution is just to use more water.
I can only think of a few things wrong with this conclusion:
1. The tables are wrong.
2. My calculations are wrong.
3. As the water cools in the fridge, the solubility of the codeine increases to the point where it ~300mg would dissolve in a small amount of water, like 200ml. For example, according to the tables, at 21°C, 307.2mg of codeine would dissolve in about 215ml water. Using, say 250ml warm water, then continuing to stir it as it gets colder and colder, would that work? It is *supposed* to, but I've tried this, and still lose a lot of codeine.
So is the solution just to use a lot more water from the start?
I've seen these tables posted in numerous places, not sure of their correctness, but I otherwise have no reason to doubt them:
Solubility of miscellaneous substances in 100ml of pure water
Name..............31°C water......21°C water
Aspirin.............1g....................0.33g
Ibuprofen......<1g.................<1g
Paracetamol....1.43g...............0.66g
Codeine..........43.48g.............142.86g
|Codeine Type|.......Solubility (31C water)|....Solubility (21C water)|
Aspirin.....................1g / 100 ml.....................1g / 300ml
Acetaminophen.......1g / 70 ml.......................1g / 150 ml
Codeine...................1g / 2.3 ml......................1g / 0.7 ml
The numbers convert correctly between the two tables.
Now, say I have 24 Panafen Plus tabs (12.8mg codeine, 200mg ibuprofen), this makes 307.2mg codeine and 4800mg ibuprofen. According to the tables, I would need about 700ml of water at 31°C to dissolve the codeine. To get this figure, I did 307.2/43.48 = ~7.06.
This seems an awful lot of water, and nearly every extraction technique I've seen uses less water than this, maybe 100ml or 200ml. However, when I've used 100 or 200ml water, I seem to get a LOT of wasted codeine, probably around 90%.
I'm assuming that the small amount of water I've been using is the problem, and the solution is just to use more water.
I can only think of a few things wrong with this conclusion:
1. The tables are wrong.
2. My calculations are wrong.
3. As the water cools in the fridge, the solubility of the codeine increases to the point where it ~300mg would dissolve in a small amount of water, like 200ml. For example, according to the tables, at 21°C, 307.2mg of codeine would dissolve in about 215ml water. Using, say 250ml warm water, then continuing to stir it as it gets colder and colder, would that work? It is *supposed* to, but I've tried this, and still lose a lot of codeine.
So is the solution just to use a lot more water from the start?
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