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Codeine Extraction

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peaked said:
Although I have no idea what causes this, I was experiencing exactly the same at the height of my codeine use. It seemed to happen most when I was laying down, and sometimes the "rumbling" would persistently happen every 10 or so seconds for at least a couple of minutes. Needless to say, I was quite concerned about it, and it is one of the reasons that lead me to cease my consumption. The rumbling lasted for awhile after I stopped, but they are essentially gone now. On the one time I have had codeine since stopping, the rumbling came back again straight away. I do hope this was just a digestive issue and not something more serious.
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ive noticed this, but it was really mild for me

i dont eat 2 hours or so before i take codeine though, so could just be a hungry stomach...
 
peaked said:
Although I have no idea what causes this, I was experiencing exactly the same at the height of my codeine use. It seemed to happen most when I was laying down, and sometimes the "rumbling" would persistently happen every 10 or so seconds for at least a couple of minutes. Needless to say, I was quite concerned about it, and it is one of the reasons that lead me to cease my consumption. The rumbling lasted for awhile after I stopped, but they are essentially gone now. On the one time I have had codeine since stopping, the rumbling came back again straight away. I do hope this was just a digestive issue and not something more serious.
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Hey dude, you should check out this website.

http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/codeine.htm

It lists one of the gastro-intestinal side effects as spasm; "Spasm and ileus occur especially when codeine is administered with spasmolytics. "

The other interesting fact I learned was that one of the sypmtoms of withdrawal is yawning. Certainly explains a lot for me!
 
Thanks for posting that Tortoise - it's very comprehensive. I assume the gastro-intestinal spasms are what I've been experiencing, which is somewhat relieving that it isn't something more serious.
 
CWE on N+

hey guys i tried cwe on some n+. The problem is i couldn't feel anything.
i let the 17 n+ tablets sit just covered in water for 30 mins.. made sure they were all dissolved- then i put them in the freezer for 30 mins.

- i then stirred it a bit and let it settle for another 30 mins in my room
- i then used a wet coffee paper filter to filter it all out into a glass
- it took about 30 mins to filter
-i drank the liquid and felt nothing... did i do something wrong?

btw im 95kg so would 17n+ not have enought codiene in them to affect me?
 
cwe - cold water extraction. done to filter out the paracetamol/ibuprofen in OTC painkillers

that seems like a good enough dose if you don have a tolerance
but remember some is lost durin extraction

i reckon you didnt let it filter long enough.
i usually let it sit for a few hours

if you still have the junk left behind in the filter, dissolve it and filter it again
theres probably still a lot of codeine there
 
What did it taste like? your technique sounds good, try doing it next time with a paracetamol based Pain reliever with codeine in it. Aswell use a therometer Thirty mins. in frezzer may not off been enough to cool solution.
 
personally - if im going to dose </=24 n+ - i just eat them.


anyway, if your going to CWE always repeat it atleast twice. I find only about half the codeine is extracted the first time. And filter it in the fridge so the temp stays low
 
JimiHawK* said:
personally - if im going to dose </=24 n+ - i just eat them.


anyway, if your going to CWE always repeat it atleast twice. I find only about half the codeine is extracted the first time. And filter it in the fridge so the temp stays low
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watttt???? are you serious! how can u handle so much ibroprofen? do you split them?
 
the splitting trick stopped working months/years ago.

4.8g is only 1.6g more than the maximum recommended daily dose of 3.2g. According to wiki toxic effects are unlikely to occur below 100mg/kg so for me i know to stay below 6.5g


I usually have 16, as any more than that gives me nausea (ontop of the nausea from the codeine) and some other minor side effects.


BUT - in the interests of harm minimization, CWE them! :)
 
Codeine is a very subtle high, I need at least 400mg to feel anything and I weigh 60kg. It also has a lot to do with the losses due to the CWE, anyone who has taken pure Codeine (or Panadol Forte etc) will confirm that. From experience the N+ are particularly difficult to CWE, read this thread for heaps more info.

Not doing an extraction is extremely dangerous, unlike Paracetamol its not suicide - but its still very dangerous, the maximum daily dose may be 3.2g but thats very very different to taking 3.2grams at once.
 
Generally the liver damage from NSAIDS, doesn't rear its head in a form that we can tangibly feel; eventually more toxins and scarring will appear on the liver which will inhibit function. I have little doubt that you could take a large ibuprofen dose occaisionally and not feel adverse effects, untillater in life when you will.

4.8g is only 1.6g more than the maximum recommended daily dose of 3.2g. According to wiki toxic effects are unlikely to occur below 100mg/kg so for me i know to stay below 6.5g
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Don't believe wiki, seriously dude....I wouldn't do this more then once in my life if ever, were i you....
 
selfishtory said:
hey guys i tried cwe on some n+. The problem is i couldn't feel anything.
i let the 17 n+ tablets sit just covered in water for 30 mins.. made sure they were all dissolved- then i put them in the freezer for 30 mins.

- i then stirred it a bit and let it settle for another 30 mins in my room
- i then used a wet coffee paper filter to filter it all out into a glass
- it took about 30 mins to filter
-i drank the liquid and felt nothing... did i do something wrong?

btw im 95kg so would 17n+ not have enought codiene in them to affect me?
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You could be in the 7-10% of the Caucasian population who lacks the enzyme necessary to O-methylize codeine to morphine. That is, if you are white of course, but I remember reading that much lower percentages of Asians and Arabs also lack the enzyme, CYP2D6.

Some medications can also affect the conversion of codeine to morphine in the liver, notable some antidepressants. Lucky me, my antidepressant (Zoloft) had the same effect as grapefruit juice while I was on it!
 
^I have heard on other forums that people are no longer able to extract from N+- I can't think of how, its just codeine phosphate still- but yeah.
 
selfishtory said:
hey guys i tried cwe on some n+. The problem is i couldn't feel anything.
i let the 17 n+ tablets sit just covered in water for 30 mins.. made sure they were all dissolved- then i put them in the freezer for 30 mins.

- i then stirred it a bit and let it settle for another 30 mins in my room
- i then used a wet coffee paper filter to filter it all out into a glass
- it took about 30 mins to filter
-i drank the liquid and felt nothing... did i do something wrong?

btw im 95kg so would 17n+ not have enought codiene in them to affect me?
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I generally would consider N+ to be an inferior product for the CWE. It works, but the binders seem to reduce the efficiency of the extraction, and (for me) it always produced an unclear final product with standard methods. That said, I can think of another reason which might have reduced the effects from the experience. You mentioned that you placed it in the freezer for 30 minutes. This isn't necessary, the liquid should never come close to freezing. In my experience if it does, then the strength of the dose seems to be reduced significantly. Just leave it in the fridge for about an hour, it should be fine.

The dose of 17n+ is a little over 200mg of codeine - a rather high dose for anyone that doesn't have a tolerance. I personally find around 160mg to be about as strong as I'd want it when I have no tolerance. That said, I've found 80mg to produce effects similar to two panadeine forte (i.e. 60mg codeine) when using a reliable brand for the CWE. I'd also recommend not having codeine on an empty stomach (for a first time dose anyhow). It kicks in quicker with an empty stomach but I've found it can cause more nausea, so having a light meal beforehand is preferable. Drinking grape juice is also said to increase the strength of the effects.

Also, just quickly - you mentioned you used a coffee filter. I take this to mean just a singular filter? I've generally found that a single will still let a fair amount of impurities through. I always use two filters (one inside the other), as for most brands this seemed enough to produce a clear liquid. Of the brands that didn't, using more filters never seemed to produce a clear liquid, so either you will have to be content with an almost clear liquid, or try and obtain some higher quality filters. Lab grade filters would probably work better than coffee filters. Paper towels seem to produce a clear liquid, but (unlike a filter) they absorb alot of product aswell.

JimiHawK* said:
the splitting trick stopped working months/years ago.

4.8g is only 1.6g more than the maximum recommended daily dose of 3.2g. According to wiki toxic effects are unlikely to occur below 100mg/kg so for me i know to stay below 6.5g


I usually have 16, as any more than that gives me nausea (ontop of the nausea from the codeine) and some other minor side effects.


BUT - in the interests of harm minimization, CWE them! :)
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I can't say I really think it is a good idea for anyone to take those kinds of doses of ibuprofen, ever, though I appreciate you mention to do a CWE instead. I don't have as much knowledge about Ibuprofen as I do Paracetemol, so I can't really say for sure what kind of effects the larger doses may have on the body, but I'm sure it's not a good idea to go over the recommended dose.
 
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Has anyone used the blue panediene? Extracting them for my tootadhe ridden miss willow (of course I'll imbibe too) and the liquid is all blue....
 
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