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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

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So I wanted to post my experience and findings about this subject. I'm pretty new at this and for someone so novice about it, I thin I did pretty well. Anyhow, here it is.
Medium: 10 Norco 7.5/325
Tools: Plastic tupperware jar, and measuring cup, iPhone for timing your events

First off, I've always wanted to do this but never really had enough substance to do it, but thankfully to a new Doc, I was able to do this wonderful act they call CWE. Now, I'm not new to CWE, I've read a lot about it, but it was always like that "your not a hacker just because you've read everything known to man that has to do with hacking, you actually have to HACK to be a hacker". well that a my situation. I never actually did the CWE. So, today, I got a chance, and I actually recorded my results with pictures that I'd like to share with you all.

So I of course started out crushing all 10 Norco 7.5's with the bottom of a drinking glass until it was damn near powder, then continued with running the water hot, not too too hot, but like all the posts on every other site if its hot enough to be uncomfortable to you then its too hot. I measured exactly 1/2 a cup. I poured the water into my Tupperware jar, then the powder, put the top on and shook it alllllllllllllllll night long!! (sorry about that) So i shook it a little over 5 minutes until it looked like powder the jar was completely dissolved. I then put the resulting liquid back into the measuring cup, uncovered of course (i don't know a measuring cup that has a cover...) into the freezer. I set my iPhone alarm to 15 mins, then checked it with my finger. It was cold (my freezer has a dial that goes from 1 to 10 and it was on 5, so I switched it on 7) and then placed the same liquid in the measuring cup into the fridge while my freezer got to the colder temperature of 7 I placed it on. Also to keep it at least cool while it sat. After about another 15 mins my iPhone told me it was ready to go back into the freezer, so I placed the liquid with the measuring cup into the freezer, set my iPhone for another 15 mins and waited.

After my iPhone told me it was ready I took the same liquid out of the freezer, and got it ready for filtering the bad stuff out of the magical liquid. I placed a coffee filter over the Tupperware top using a hair tie (thanks to my wonderful girlfriend) so it was snug and secure. I began to pour slowly, and here is where you need to not be clumsy because you can go over the edges of the filter and lose some of your magic liquid. It takes a while for the filtering action to take place (the filtering action is just that, a slow slow drip) so I put it back in the fridge so it would keep the liquid somewhat at the same temperature as it was, while it dripped so to make for a more separation from the bad stuff to the good stuff (what you want at the bottom of the Tupperware jar). You can do this if you want, or you can do whatever you want, but I chose to do what I'm about to tell you and it worked just fine, I mean better then fine, I got an incredible high off of the 75 milligrams of Hydro condone liquid I made, but here's what I did to speed up the process. I removed the hair tie I stole from my beautiful gf (again, thank you baby) and kept a tight hold onto the coffee filter so it wouldn't drop into the Tupperware container, ruining my liquid batch. I then began to twist the top together as the liquid in the bottom made a pouch of liquid and began to drop much much faster. I continued to twist the filter down to the pouch very very so carefully not to pop the pouch because need i remind you, the very thing we are trying to keep from our Tupperware container is also in this coffee filter along with the wonderful magic liquid. I did this slowly and carefully until there was no more of the liquid in the coffee filter. I then got another dry (because after twisting it and squeezing every bit of liquid out of the coffee filter it was very very wet) coffee filter and repeated the process I just explained again, i can't stress this enough, being VERY VERY CAREFUL NOT TO BUST THE COFFEE FILTER, ONLY TO SQUEEZE THE LIQUID FROM THE FILTER INTO THE TUPPERWARE JAR. After you've got all the liquid in the Tupperware jar, you'll have to coffee filters with the left over acetaminophen/APAP or whatever other binders and fillers you filtered out while doing your CWE, and I'm going to show you what I personally with my experience came up with. And again, I can assure you that, this worked so well, I was bombed and really should have at least half-ed it up and saved some for later, because doing the math, I figured 75mg, no big deal right? wrong! I was bombed. Anyway, let me show you what I came up with.

http://tinypic.com/r/264hp1t/6
This is the outcome of my wonderful magic liquid that I can assure you if you take my experience to heart, this is what you should get. Not cloudy, no need to run through a second time, It was wonderful... except for the taste.. It was so gaw damned awful I cant stress it.. which means it worked.

http://tinypic.com/r/vp9rgk/6
This was left over after I took a butter knife and scrapped it up off the coffee filter. It was a slightly very light orange color (the color of the pills I used) and was about the same amount as what I had put into it when it all started.

http://tinypic.com/r/j82mg5/6
This is the second batch I created using the same steps. I just took the left over stuff from the picture above, put it in hot water. Made sure I mixed it very very well, then repeated the steps (freezer, fridge, filter, ect..)

http://tinypic.com/r/2rzfb5h/6
This is the left over stuff after filtering and scraping that filter just to show what I had left over.

And there you have it! This was my journey today on CWE. It was a great success, and I hope my post helps long with the many wonderful posts in this thread. Thanks a lot for reading and taking your time to check it out. Be safe, and have fun!

Hope it helps, I love giving back and contributing. Anyone who has any other pointers for me, by all means, please let me have it. Can't wait to see what you guys have to say. Thanks again, and its good to be back. childhood personal friends with bboollweevel.
kid
 
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^ Hey dude I merged your posts and edited it to be slightly more readable. Paragraphs are your friend and triple posting isn't really done around here.

We don't actually get hydrocodone in Australia but I left your post since it relates to CWE.

The first thing I would say is, unless hydrocodone tablets are much different to codeine tablets here, you don't need to crush the tablets for them to dissolve you just let them sit in the water for a few minutes and give them a good stir and it will dissolve just fine. I personally feel that the crushing process just leads to potential losses of material that are totally unnecessary given the fact that whole tablets should dissolve fairly readily in room temperature water. I also find that the 30 minutes in the freezer you are talking about is more than you really need to adequately cool the solution for the CWE process and typically hinders the speed at which the solution will filter.

Secondly, (and do bear in mind I am referring to OTC codeine/APAP or codeine/ibuprofen tablets from Australia) I typically use between 2-3Ml's per tablet, by my calculation you used about 23Ml's per tablet which is far too much in my experience and the more water you use the more APAP/ibuprofen is going to be soluble in the solution. Even using 2-3Ml's of water as long as I let it sit a few minutes, 5 minutes of shaking/stirring would be well past what is necessary to get all the product to dissolve.

Thirdly, I would advise against squeezing the coffee filter. If you do not pre filter then there are too many fillers and it can clog up the coffee filter and make the solution drip through painfully slowly (not that it is ever fast enough when you are waiting for your dose ;)), not only that but it can dry up before all the solution has filtered and you end up with a portion of your dose stuck in the coffee filters. In my personal experience it is better to fashion a makeshift filter by cutting a decent sized square out of a piece of fabric, I generally use a t-shirt, make a pouch in the top of a cup with this fabric and then pour the solution into it, then proceed to squeeze the solution through with the method you described doing with your coffee filter. You then pour the resulting solution into a coffee filter or two and let it filter at its own pace.

Lastly, you do not mention pre wetting your coffee filters. Given that coffee filters soak up water, and your opiate of choice is inside the water you are filtering, pre wetting the filters will minimise wastage of your opiate during the CWE process. The same applies to the aforementioned step of using a fabric filter before you use a coffee filter. If you do not wet the filters before pouring your solution through them then you will find yourself with a significantly lower amount of water in the end result than you started with, which translates into a greater loss of product.
 
Crushing is sometimes necessary depending on brand, sometimes they will take around 25 mins and a good stirring to fully dissolve, Panafen plus (however not ideal..) dissolves very quickly.

This is what my solutions usually look like once filtered, http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...itty-title?p=10888361&viewfull=1#post10888361 You can use a little more water than that but i like to use just enough, so its not pastey (easily done using a shot glass)

^What DM said place a cut up dress shirt or any shirt really over the coffee filters initially, then if you get impatient and squeeze the coffee filters make sure your doing it into another couple of coffee filters, (this can speed the process up at a cost, as the extra filters would absorb some goodness regardless if you per-wet them) wait until there is no liquid in the filter then squeeze the first into the second for good measure, and finally when the last filter is empty carefully squeeze remaining liquid that is embedded into the last filter, you would be surprised how much more clearer it comes out.

One more thing, don't use hot water, there is no reason to and it can raise the solubility of APAP.
 
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I'm not sure if maybe you did it wrong, orrr maybe your experiences were different then mine, but what I said is exactly what happened and it came out marvelous. I got the same amount of water out of it, that I put in it. I mean to a T. And with the coffee filter, I was just very very careful when I squeezed the water through because yes your right, the dripping was almost like watching grass grow. That is really cool that you get codeine so easily down under, I wish it was as easy for me. Like I said in my post I only did exactly what I wrote because I was following directions from several recipes I've found online, and most do say shake or stir for in and around 5 minutes, but I do appreciate your suggestion I'll take it in consideration next time I do another one. And lastly I can't attest to the type of tablets that you have in your country, but the ones that I personally acquired, yes, they needed crushing, and crushing well. I did in fact do it in a very closed off container so I didn't lose much, if any at all. Thanks a lot for reading my post and for your suggestions, they were good ones.
kid

Oh and thanks for merging my post, I wasn't trying to double or triple post I just wanted to add my experience on what I did personally that maybe it would help someone like all the other posts did/do.
 
^ if you used 23mls per tablet of course you'll get good results in terms of how much opiate you get, but you'll get horrible results in terms of permanent liver damage.

The majority of apap will get through and fuck you up permanently.
 
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And with the coffee filter, I was just very very careful when I squeezed the water through because yes your right, the dripping was almost like watching grass grow.
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zkidz you shouldn't squeeze the liquid through into your cup

I am saying use a tshirt cut out ontop of two filters, wait until ~10min the liquid drys up then squeeze the shirt into two filters. Wait until half of the liquid has been filtered, by then it becomes a little clogged and you may want to get a couple of new filters, wet them and put in another cup, then squeeze the liquid from the first two filters into a couple of fresh filters and that will speed it up but you are still waiting for the second filter to empty before you squeeze it into the last filter and after the last filter is dry you can squeeze the last few drops it into your cup (at this stage there shouldn't be any powder in the fourth coffee filter)

no need for using hot water, especially if they are already crushed. I also like to do mine in a glass so you can see any cloudiness that may occur.
 
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Yeah, people don't realise that doing a CWE involves Paracetamol being absorbed in to the glass from the funnel. They think that they just extracted all the paracetamol in the white shit, and codeine is left in the bottom. Dumb arse holes are killing themselves slowly...

And no, it doesn't matter how much water you're using per tablet...which dickhead came up with that idea?

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APAP is an American term, Paracetamol is what it's called over here.
 
coolmuthaphukka said:
Yeah, people don't realise that doing a CWE involves Paracetamol being absorbed in to the glass from the funnel. They think that they just extracted all the paracetamol in the white shit, and codeine is left in the bottom. Dumb arse holes are killing themselves slowly...

And no, it doesn't matter how much water you're using per tablet...which dickhead came up with that idea?

P.S.
APAP is an American term, Paracetamol is what it's called over here.
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http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...itty-title?p=10544780&viewfull=1#post10544780

Do some reading before you make such claims.

APAP is alot easier to type.
 
I dosed roughly 400mg of codeine this morning in the shopping centre disabled toilet after nicking some undies from Woolies before I went down to visit Jessie at the jail in Windsor. Barely got any sleep last night, was sneezing, chills, diarrhea. It kicked in on the train and kept me good until after the visit. We had our first contact visit and I cannot convey to anyone just how much I love that girl. She is 4 months clean and I still have an opiate habit. The heroin has just gotten really good too. With codeine surprisingly holding me for around half a day perhaps it would make a good replacement for bupe now that I only need .5-1mg of buprenorphine to feel well? Though I would need to dose twice daily. Or maybe I should just suck it up and be sick and then be well. Eventually. And I have no idea why I just wrote this..

A. <3
 
Geez what has this nice thread turned into lately? And where are the mods as well during these times? This thread is going around in circles and circles. This particular topic has been discussed about 100 times already. Would be nice if some people would actually read through the whole thread.

Regarding the crushing of pills, nearly all of the codeine containing pills dissolve in water extremely well, if not just use a mortal and pester or a coffee grinder, soak in room temp water and gradually cool down.

As for the water just add 2-3ml for every pill u use. And lastly for filtering like we all have mentioned about 200 times use a tight wooven shirt to filter which u can squeeze out every single drop to get the most out if it and if u are paranoid then can run it through a coffee filter too although for me personally using another filter is a waste of time as I manage to filter all the gunk out the first time round wit ha shirt (beginners make sure u know how to perform a safe CWE first before attempting other methods and also run experiments to check the leftover content). My experiment has not shown any leftover paracetamol / iburpofen.

Another note: a lot of people say the extraction has to be clear which is not entirely true. With ibuprofen based products it will stay a bit cloudy because some binders and fillers are very water soluble but this does not suggest that the CWE is paracetamol free as that too is white so please take care when u are filtering.
 
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Another note: a lot of people say the extraction has to be clear which is not entirely true. With ibuprofen based products it will stay a bit cloudy because some binders and fillers are very water soluble but this does not suggest that the CWE is paracetamol free as that too is white so please take care when u are filtering.
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This is true. The cloudiness of the resultant solution is not necessarily all ibuprofen/paracetamol, but binders and fillers in the pill that are soluble in water.
 
ibu does leave it more cloudy but i think a coffee filter is essential for an apap wash, cant say the same for ibu as eating just 2 of the pills upsets my stomach so i avoid ibu. Coffee filter makes it clearer, an experienced cwe'er can taste a botched cwe which is easy when skipping the coffee filters.

My LFT was perfect, you claim yours wasn't because of supplements. Felt like it needed to be said.
 
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I always have the smack after codeine if I am having it. It feels so much better but u have to have the codeine BEFORE the smack.
 
I've decided to give a CWE one more shot. 300mg +/- with nothing else, light meal about 2 hours before hand.

I don't think I am a poor metabolizer (I haven't tried PST so I don't actually know, but DXM works fine for me).
 
^ I would leave 4 hours after your last meal before dosing personally.

I am broke as fuck at the moment but it is quite tempting to grab a pack or two tomorrow. Honestly can't remember the last time I did a CWE but I had pure codeine a few times lately which was quite enjoyable, I think my tolerance has dropped a bit.
 
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