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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

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If you'll look at the numbers regarding para/ibu solubility you'll realize that all but the laziest of CWE's will give you close to the recommended dose of those drugs. As long as you use cool water and filter properly, it's no more dangerous than popping the recommended dose of panadeine/nurofen +.

Cloudiness isn't a product of Para/Ibu content, but of the binders and dyes used in the pill. This is why it varies significantly from brand to brand of what otherwise contains the same active ingredient.

Cloudiness is a product of paracetamol/ibuprofen content and binders/dyes. You just said it yourself, there is slight solubility of these two compounds and hence there will be some in the solution. A small amount, definitely, but some nonetheless. Maybe I'm being overly picky on what you're saying, but what you posted was really counter-intuitive.
 
geez sustanon. are you still trying to defend CWE.

"cloudy solutions don't matter"

I'd laugh if this wasn't such dangerous misinformation.

I can understand CWE addicts not wanting to hear it's dangerous because a reliable source of cheap opiates is difficult to want to criticise but months have gone past since most people realised CWE is not as safe as we all wish it was and people are still flogging this dead horse.

If you sustanon can't understand that that you don't know what the cloudiness is composed of...

If you sustanon can't understand that the cloudiness could in part be powdered ibu/para (you know the ibu/para that you powdered or dissolved into water to perform a CWE)...

If you sustanon can't understand that "only so much ibu/para is soluble in cold water" is an utterly meaningless statement that does not imply any level of safety what so ever...

then you sustanon must be trying very hard to ignore all information that you come across that would have told you that CWE is not safe in the long term. It's as simple as that, you couldn't possibly be so blasé about CWE's safety if you weren't trying very hard (unconsciously?) to ignore the facts. This happens a lot in this thread, like I said nobody wants to hear that the CWE which is the answer to being a slave to heroin or methadone, is not safe for every day use.

It's wishful thinking.
It's your opinion.
It goes against the facts!
It's wrong.
It's dangerous.

WAKE UP!

Yeah, slow down brother, if you copied sust's procedure and weighed up everything you would be amazed at how much unsolubles you end up with.

Read his experiment, and use your head to add up the numbers, just like crankinit said.

State your theory, don't bash the man because you don't agree with him.
 
Cloudiness isn't a product of Para/Ibu content, but of the binders and dyes used in the pill. This is why it varies significantly from brand to brand of what otherwise contains the same active ingredient.

A brown river is not brown due to anything soluble, it's brown due to solid particles of insoluble dirt in suspension. You're both confused and ignorant.
 
What bobbydarren is saying, is that regardless of the solubility rate, ibu and para can get through filters, both cloth and paper, because it is suspended in water. I'm really surprised that so many Bluelighters seem to be overlooking this.

Maybe everyone is just assuming that everyone else understands this, but I think it's really important that it's made clear. Yes para and ibu have a small solubility rate, but this isn't all that's coming through. When you put your pills in water, you end up with a liquid. A cloudy liquid. This is because, as well as the small amount of ibu/para that is dissolved, all the rest is suspended in the water. You have all your tiny, solid particles of ibu/para floating around in the water. The point of filtering is to trap as many of these particles as you can, but even the best cdub wont capture all of them. Some of these solid particles can still get through, and will make the end product cloudy. This is why a cloudy end product should never be assumed safe.
 
^ what the fuck has a brown river got to do with it??

Is dirt soluble at a rate of 1g/300ml at 21deg?

There's very very few tablets that have a soluble white dye. Nurofen+ is an example but it's very much in the minority. Mercycyndol day is an example of a soluble yellow dye, but once again, very much in the minority. Most everything else doesn't have soluble dyes. If you have a cloudy white extract you have insoluble solid particles of ibuprofen/paracetamol in suspension. For maximum safety it's best to avoid that.
 
I thought even if the liquid is clear at the end it could be full of para/ibu, but if your technique is proper, alls well.

Sust's experiment had weights, it sort of proved that the amount of ibu, at max, is a normal single dose one would take for a headache.
 
geez sustanon. are you still trying to defend CWE.

"cloudy solutions don't matter"

I'd laugh if this wasn't such dangerous misinformation.

I can understand CWE addicts not wanting to hear it's dangerous because a reliable source of cheap opiates is difficult to want to criticise but months have gone past since most people realised CWE is not as safe as we all wish it was and people are still flogging this dead horse.

If you sustanon can't understand that that you don't know what the cloudiness is composed of...

If you sustanon can't understand that the cloudiness could in part be powdered ibu/para (you know the ibu/para that you powdered or dissolved into water to perform a CWE)...

If you sustanon can't understand that "only so much ibu/para is soluble in cold water" is an utterly meaningless statement that does not imply any level of safety what so ever...

then you sustanon must be trying very hard to ignore all information that you come across that would have told you that CWE is not safe in the long term. It's as simple as that, you couldn't possibly be so blasé about CWE's safety if you weren't trying very hard (unconsciously?) to ignore the facts. This happens a lot in this thread, like I said nobody wants to hear that the CWE which is the answer to being a slave to heroin or methadone, is not safe for every day use.

It's wishful thinking.
It's your opinion.
It goes against the facts!
It's wrong.
It's dangerous.

WAKE UP!



I wasn't actually defending CWE's if you managed to read my corrected post. I should of wrote, "once you know that you have no known paracetamol or ibuprofen left in your solution the cloudiness doesn't really matter" No harm in drinking fillers and binders right? I also wrote that it is cloudy due to the fact that there are many binders, fillers and other inactives in the pill so if performed properly (meaning no other unwanted actives / inactives are present) then its relatively safe. 100-200mg ibuprofen wont kill you but on the other hand if you abuse it extensively over a period of time it may/can cause complications.

Ive performed countless experiments recording crucial details on the amounts of ibuprofen and Codeine that was present in the CWE. I am fairly certain I know what CWE's contain as you can go back to the beginning of this thread and the other thread that was created long before you were even around here and can see the results for yourself. Would also appreciate some feed back from anyone from this thread regarding the experiment.

I'm just wondering if you have even bothered to read the few posts I had made in the previous days. I even re-posted / corrected the post to avoid misunderstandings. So why is the "ibu/para is soluble in cold water" statement irrelevant? If you have just a little bit of understanding about basic chemistry you would understand the importance of that statement. It is very crucial and saying it's utterly meaningless is, very irresponsible on your behalf. A newbie reading this would think it would be okay to extract using warm/hot water. It is not safe!! So please stop spreading misinformation that can be potentially deadly! Ps: I don't recall saying anywhere that CWE long term is fool proof safe and no harm will be caused long term.

CWE's are definitely safer than just eating the pills long term. I've read quite a lot of long term studies on codeine and its long term usage and from what I gathered its relatively safe IF there are no other or very little actives/inactives remaining in the solution. Obviously there are risks involved just like with anything else that are "abused" on a regular basis, each and everyone is different as well. That's my 2 cents anyway, to be honest I didn't really want to get involved in this so called "debate" but since you started criticizing my posts I had make a few things clear to you and other members of this forums, especially newbies who are just starting to experiment with CWE's.
 
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i used to never really be too concerned if it was cloudy. as long as i did a proper CWE i felt that it had removed enough off the ibuprofen to cause any damage.
 
i used to never really be too concerned if it was cloudy. as long as i did a proper CWE i felt that it had removed enough off the ibuprofen to cause any damage.

If you are a regular user, you really should get a prescription for Nexium and take it every morning. Saved a huge amount of pain from ibuprofen fucking up my insides. But if you have no pain, I guess you don't need to bother.
 
Now I remember why dont frequent this thread. Its circular and stressful to read. I guess its a great resource for newbies, but damn, for such a simple process the amount of discussion on it is kinda crazy.

Maybe a locked FAQ thread with all the best bits in it would be a good idea. In addition sure you have a discussion thread but a locked thread with solid, sensible info might be a good idea.
 
Now I remember why dont frequent this thread. Its circular and stressful to read. I guess its a great resource for newbies, but damn, for such a simple process the amount of discussion on it is kinda crazy.

Maybe a locked FAQ thread with all the best bits in it would be a good idea. In addition sure you have a discussion thread but a locked thread with solid, sensible info might be a good idea.

it's cyclical for a reason. new members should have the right to ask questions just like anyone else. another good reason to keep them open is incase of new formulations and warnings.
 
it's cyclical for a reason. new members should have the right to ask questions just like anyone else. another good reason to keep them open is incase of new formulations and warnings.

I agree. And the ability to be able to ask questions and get clarification on whatever is important. But there is so much good info in this thread already that in reality a newb really wouldnt NEED to ask questions if they were willing to put in the (admittedly tedious) research necessary to find out the info they need.

Thats why I suggested having a master thread with a comprehensive, yet simple and straight-forward step-by-step process on how its done..... followed by a brief FAQ with with common questions and issues addressed. Particular codeine containing products addressed, what works best, what to expect with certain brand etc...

This would be a master CWE thread and locked. In addition there could be a regular CWE thread that is open for brief discussion and specific questions, and would presumably and hopefully get way less traffic than the current thread. This 'open thread' - while somewhat relaxed and user-friendly in tone - would nonetheless serve primarily as an addendum to the master CWE FAQ/instructional thread.

Aside from getting all the best, most helpful, most appropriate and most relevant information concerning CWE in the one place, this would also serve to minimise the glorification of codeine and codeine extraction from easy to purchase OTC pain relievers. Dont get me wrong Im as guilty as the next person when it comes to talking about the joys of codeine. It is my opiate of choice after all. And put simply its fun talking about how fucked you got, or how fucked up youre about to get, or how fucked up you are right now.... or whatever.... but I think there is an EXTREMELY valid argument to be made for taking steps to minimise the glorification of codeine talk on bluelight.

The huge obvious big daddy of 'em all being the fact that while we dont get it as good as some countries, we do however have a pretty good thing going with the availability of OTC pain products containing codeine. Especially now with the loophole allowing 600mg to be sold in the one product (Mydol / strong pain Xtra) rather than just the 360mg ibu packs or the 400mg paracetamol packs.... so my point being that the less we talk about this in an open forum the better as far as keeping it quiet, keeping the media off it and generally just maintaining the status quo to allow us to keep enjoying our relaxing hobby of choice without seeing a fucking TT or a Current Affair story on it every 6 months, and ultimately leading us down the psuedo path of strict ID requirements for every codeine purchase.

So if you guys think Im being a tool and wasting my time, thats cool. The current system does work, the info is there, and the industrious newbie can find what they need to know with relative ease by UTFSE and filtering for this thread. While the lazy newbs can also find out what they need to know by typing a series of letters into coherent groupings of words and ultimately sentences, that when structured appropriately with a (?) at the end will illicit a response from a regular or more informed poster, and thus providing the lazy newb with the information they require and the energy conservation they desire 8( =D

So clearly a 'project' like this would have to be collaborative, but with an executive editor (EE, in magazine vernacular =D) of sorts overseeing things and having final word and edit on the step-by-step process and mini-FAQ. Theres a bunch of regular and semi regulars in this thread (I count myself as a semi reg these days) that could contribute their procedure with footnotes and miscellaneous infos of relevance. These peeps would PM this to the EE who would have final say on the final make up of the thread. They could of course consult and discuss with the other contributors but the EE would have to have final word or the thing would lever get done.

So the obvious choice is Mr Blonde. Is he still around? His profile says he hasnt signed in since the 6th of June though..... whats up with that? He on holiday or something? Hes not back on the alpraz is he? Sheeeet maybe hes in fuckin rehab or something. Although hang on, its possible that Bluelight uses the American date format which would mean that he last signed in on June 6, which isnt actually so bad. So Blondey if youre around mate what do you think?
 
^ you've sold it to me bud, im in provided its not too much of a pain in the arse for the mods to set up. it'd be useful for a lot of people, i like the idea of people who want to CWE being able to learn a safe technique and why a safe technique is important. ive seen a few empty nurofen/panadeine plus boxes on park benches in or next to a chemists paper bag and my friends and i sometimes took unsafe doses in our teens before finding out about CWE's - its a problem that can be partly remedied by some easily accessible info.

actually isnt there a CWE thread on ODD? regardless it might be good to have one specific to aus and nz seeing taking codeine is pretty popular here.
 
nice one ash, though, i haven't checked the video myself.

pinkanga - what you're suggesting was proposed a while back but never come through - there was no codeine discussion in here for a while. having two threads (one open for discussion, the other the info and tech) would only be redundant as questions are going to be asked regardless somewhere on the site, so why confine it to elsewhere? the thread in OD is a collective of all different (insert drug here)/(apap/ibu/caffeine) combinations and would likely further confuse new readers if they were to venture there initially.

you should raise concerns to the mods - they're open ears.
 
i read up on DXM and found that robitussin dry cough forte is the one to go for. What would be the dose/mL I would need for a second plateu, im 90kg. Also what would someone recommend when combining with codeine (about400mg) first plateau or 2nd? im not looking to trip balls, just to enhance the codeine
 
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