Codeine ceiling project. Is it true?

[atv]

Today I ingested 1000mg of Codeine (Not recommended) I have tolerance.

Many people say that the ceiling is 4 - 500mg for conversion to morphine. In the past I've believed this to be false, however this time I'm going to try it out properly.

I will ingest 500mg in a few days, time for the codeine to leave my system and under exactly the same circumstances as tonight. No potentiators, no alcohol, empty stomach nothing, and see if I get the same effects.

Could save myself some money, (though it costs me about the same price as a Mcdonalds extra value meal for a gram!) or could be a waste of Codeine.

Anyone interested, thoughts or similar tests performed?

 

[twotoomany]

Depends on how you metabolize it. If your body is super efficient at turning it to morphine, you'll feel it more. I've read somewhere that a small percentage of the population an do this. Most of us can not.

 

[WorldWarMe]

I don't believe it to be true. I have never been able to get sufficiently high off of Codeine but if I take 400mg and feel nothing then take 900-1,200mg another day I will feel a slight euphoric rush. So, from my personal experience, there is no ceiling limit.

Also, if I recall correctly, there is a decent percentage of Caucasians (white people) who lack the enzyme required to properly convert Codeine into Morphine in the liver. If you are white there is a good chance youre shit out of luck with Codeine, like I am. I can get high as hell off of other opiates like Hydrocodone and Oxycodone and Codeine was the first opiate I ever tried.

 

[Codeine Cowboy]

400mg doesn't do too much me for just a slight buzz, mix in a benzo and you'll be floating. 800mg is a decent buzz but again add a benzo and it'll be A LOT nicer. My tolerance is pretty high though, but one of my fav drug combos in Codeine and Klonopin.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

The main problem is that it is just too weak to be practical for abuse without added sedation...

Chronic alcoholics love codeine because their livers are really active at breaking toxins down.

Same goes with any other drug that induces liver enzymes...

 

[atv]

I don't believe it to be true. I have never been able to get sufficiently high off of Codeine but if I take 400mg and feel nothing then take 900-1,200mg another day I will feel a slight euphoric rush. So, from my personal experience, there is no ceiling limit.

Also, if I recall correctly, there is a decent percentage of Caucasians (white people) who lack the enzyme required to properly convert Codeine into Morphine in the liver. If you are white there is a good chance youre shit out of luck with Codeine, like I am. I can get high as hell off of other opiates like Hydrocodone and Oxycodone and Codeine was the first opiate I ever tried.

I know about this but its not the case with me. I like codeine. Always does the job for me. Although now with higher doses, and spacing the time frame out. I just don't go lower than 750mg. 3 x 8/500mg boxes and stabilise my dose at around 1000mg once a week or so to still feel it and avoid physical addiction I should have dome this from the start but oh well.

A few years back I could get high from 150-200mg, now i never bother with less than my current dose.

And its not a 'good chance' its a small percentage. Read this:

People with less CYP2D6 find little or no relief from codeine, because the liver does not convert enough into morphine. This happens in about 6 percent to 10 percent of Caucasians, 3 percent to 6 percent of Mexican-Americans, 2 percent to 5 percent of African-Americans and about 1 percent of Asians.

martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/nov2008/codeine-genetics.html

I've got my extraction ready now of 500mg. Yes I couldn't wait haha. But I haven't done it in a few days so i can still get high 2 days in a row its been 18hours since last time whether with half the dose though who knows. Have about 30 valium...but I'm wondering whether to drink it/risk wasting it, or cycle down to a chemist and get a couple more boxes.
I've never got the val combo right. I took 25mg after codeine last night didn't seem to do much for the benefit of the codeine. I could quite easily take 50mg of valium solo and not feel much at all.

Tips?

Gonna drink it soom when my breakfast goes down.
Does taking Valium before increase the body rush? Thats what codeine gives me clear head but body tingle. Some report taking diaz it makes codeine worse.

 

[atv]

The main problem is that it is just too weak to be practical for abuse without added sedation...

Chronic alcoholics love codeine because their livers are really active at breaking toxins down.

Same goes with any other drug that induces liver enzymes...

The main problem is that it is just too weak to be practical for abuse without added sedation...

Chronic alcoholics love codeine because their livers are really active at breaking toxins down.

Same goes with any other drug that induces liver enzymes...

Hmmm...gotta disagree again sorry, for me it works and I don't drink much. Everyone different I know. If I haven't done it in a while my dose gives me a decent body load and a pleasant nod then back to normal in few hours, and I have done H a few times and Opium more times. I find H less enjoyable cos it just makes me pass out for a couple hours then wake up sobre, pointless for me, won't be doing it ever again. Opium better, strong body load and able to be conscious enough to enjoy it. But too much risk of addiction, so I'll stick with C as it does the job for me!

Thinking of going to get one more pack, but my local are wary of me cos of my zopiclone script. And the town is too far to be going as I can't ne assed to cycle there and back Hmm....

More valium potentiating tips please!

 

[atv]

Thinking of going to get one more pack, but my local are wary of me cos of my zopiclone script. And the town is too far to be going as I can't ne assed to cycle there and back Hmm....

More valium potentiating tips please!

Well went down the local and they served me, but they are proper strict the cashier was fine bit then the pharmacist caught a whiff and came over saying i should get a script when im telling him i only need them for the odd migraine and i haven't been here for 6 weeks or so asking it. Jeez. One further into town sells two boxes every week without blinking an eye!
Anyway,
A nice extra 250mg in the mix should def get a tingle now, and gauge whether it was of a similar strength yesterday.
Bump on tips for vals in the mix please,
Some agree some say it ruins the euphoria body buzz of C.
Also have been taking it for a few days now, is it likely to even have an effect?

Cheers.

 

[Tilex]

My anecdotal thoughts on the ceiling effect through personal research:
I believe that such an effect does exist, but not for everyone, and there is no 'static' amount to reach this effect. It exists in everyone, and as morphine isn't the primary metabolite of codeine (it's the most recreational of them though, CG6 is ~50% of the metabolism), perhaps you just don't metabolize the other actives as well as others? There are so many metabolic pathways involved with codeine that it's hard to say anything concretely, but my belief is that those who experience the ceiling effect metabolize codeine-6-glucuronide (CG6) poorly, as morphine is roughly ~3-5% of what comes from codeine.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Hmmm...gotta disagree again sorry, for me it works and I don't drink much. Everyone different I know. If I haven't done it in a while my dose gives me a decent body load and a pleasant nod then back to normal in few hours, and I have done H a few times and Opium more times. I find H less enjoyable cos it just makes me pass out for a couple hours then wake up sobre, pointless for me, won't be doing it ever again. Opium better, strong body load and able to be conscious enough to enjoy it. But too much risk of addiction, so I'll stick with C as it does the job for me!

Thinking of going to get one more pack, but my local are wary of me cos of my zopiclone script. And the town is too far to be going as I can't ne assed to cycle there and back Hmm....

More valium potentiating tips please!

If you are taking long breaks, you have essentially very little tolerance, thats the only reason it is still working.

You did too much heroin by the way...

 

[puffpuffpass]

The ceiling dose has been De-bunked I think, what I do know is that 1 gram of codeine will get me and a lot of my friends WAY higher than just 500mg.

Valium wont potentate Codeine, it will just add to the sedative effect depending on dosage (some argue it kills the buzz) I find a dose of 5-10mg when I feel like I'm starting to come down is nice. Of course you're also combing 2 different CNS depressants be careful.

A lot of people claim DXM (in small doses) potentates it, do a search.

(disclaimer) 1gram of codeine is a HUGE dose for someone without a tolerance so don't take that much if you don't have a tolerance.