Opioids Codeine allergies & a Interest in Heroin

[SilverDC4]

Hey, I'd like to start off by saying this is my first post on this site, so please feel free to point out whatever I do wrong with this thread, haha.

Alright so, I'm 18 now, but back when I was about 10 or 11 I was prescribed codeine, and had an allergic reaction to it. it caused me to break out in hives, which is all i really remember. ever since then I've never taken any other opiates.

Anyways, (and please dont lecture me, i just want some good medical advice) I've taken an interest in heroin lately, due to a sudden connection. I havent done it yet because I'm concerned i might have a bad reaction. My question is, If you're allergic to codeine, will heroin cause the same reaction? And if i had some heroin, how could i go about testing my allergies with it before i proceed to get high?

Also- I plan on snorting it. thanks in advance.

And yea, i know all about the risks and addiction and whatnot, I'm just curious about the allergy part.

 

[jamesBrown]

Just because you are allergic to codeine does not mean that you are allergic to all other opiates(such as diacetylmorphine(heroin)). There MIGHT be slightly more of a chance that you would be allergic to another opiate but its definitely not guaranteed.

If I were you I would simply take a miniscule amount of the heroin you want to try and snort it up your nose, since this is the way you are planning on abusing the heroin anyway. If you are allergic to it than you should have a minor allergic reaction, as long as you only took a very tiny amount of the heroin. But if you feel fine after 30-60 minutes, my guess is that you are NOT allergic to heroin, and it would be OK for you to go ahead and snort a line.

 

[El Cubano Poco]

If you've taken morphine before, without reaction, then it's quite likely that you'll have no problem with H. As with any new drug, if you decide to indulge, take a homeopathic dosage (sub-active dose, perhaps a matchhead-sized pile, and have a friend with you incase you need emergency services. If you have no problems, wait at least a few hours before taking a larger dose, but don't push you're luck! WOrk you're way up with progressively larger amounts, until you know what's safe and effective for you. ALso, please don't drink alcohol or take benzos/downers with heroin...I bet you're friends and family like to see you breathing

Be safe have fun and know your limits!

 

[SilverDC4]

Yeah, I don't want to die that's for sure, I'm personally a fan of uppers, like speed and cocaine... I'm not an addict, but that's just due to lack of connections. I understand that heroin is a very addictive drug, but I'm not big into downers. The only reason I've been considering is because I've recently found a reliable source, and it's easier for me to get, as odd as it may sound. I wasn't looking for it, but in search of cocaine I was offered heroin. I'm definitely doing my research before I indulge. Thanks for the tips!.... and thanks for reminding me about the benzos, cause i'm prescribed Librax.... It's weak and holds almost no recreational value imo but I'll be sure to skip my dose of that and start off small with the H. Safety is key here, and although "safe" and "heroin", most likely don't go together, I feel that responsibility can still be practiced, and I know for a fact you can do it without becoming a junky, because I've known people to do it off and on with years in between use. For the time being I need to figure out dosages, cause I'm not entirely sure how much heroin it takes to feel the effects.

Edit: Ah, completely overlooked the "match head size pile" at first lol. Thanks again though, I'll be sure to play it safe.

 

[wakeborder556]

Good luck to you, keep posting on here, I'm interested to see how you progress down this road.

 

[SilverDC4]

Thanks. Just wondering, would it be safe for me to take a non drowsy antihistamine beforehand? I know there is more information about people taking antihistamines to potentiate the effects of the heroin, but I'm not looking for more drowsiness or to just lessen the common itching, my main concern is avoiding an allergy problem.

Should this be done, or would ya'll recommend just taking a small dose of H and avoid the antihistamine all together?

Another question: Say I DID take a very small amount, like the match head sized pile noted above, and had some sort of reaction? Would this be minor enough to ride out on my own? (I know it's different for everyone, but I don't know much about allergic reactions, besides people who are deathly allergic to peanuts...).... what would be some things to watch for before it could be called an "emergency"?

 

[jamesBrown]

Thanks. Just wondering, would it be safe for me to take a non drowsy antihistamine beforehand? I know there is more information about people taking antihistamines to potentiate the effects of the heroin, but I'm not looking for more drowsiness or to just lessen the common itching, my main concern is avoiding an allergy problem.

Should this be done, or would ya'll recommend just taking a small dose of H and avoid the antihistamine all together?

Another question: Say I DID take a very small amount, like the match head sized pile noted above, and had some sort of reaction? Would this be minor enough to ride out on my own? (I know it's different for everyone, but I don't know much about allergic reactions, besides people who are deathly allergic to peanuts...).... what would be some things to watch for before it could be called an "emergency"?

First of all.....I wouldnt take any antihistamines before you take the heroin. Maybe afterward if you feel any uncomfortable itchy effects or anythign similar. But, I guess it wouldnt hurt for you to take it before, its really up to you....ive never taken that stuff with heroin so I dont really know much about how it interacts....maybe someone else can help you more on that particular issue.

Also.....if you only took a TIIINY match head size piece of heroin and snorted it and you DID end up having an allergic reaction to it then my guess is that the allergic reaction you have will be dependent upon how potent the heroin was, and how allergic you actually are to it(some allergies are minor, while others are more potent). So I guess it all depends on your symptoms....if you only feel minor allergy symptoms then you might be ok to just "ride it out"....but otherwise, I would play it safe and go to a doctor or hospital.

 

[dmcheatw]

take tylenol before hand... whenever i get blood products at the hospital protocol is tylenol and benedryl...

i would put the heroin on my skin and see if the skin turns red after 15 minutes, if not try a little sublingually or snort it, but man you can't start off too slow when testing for an allergic reaction. i'd do even less than a match head...

keep the antihistamine near by on the first try, if you begin to have a reaction take 3-4 of those, and you'll be able to ride it out, but have someone there with you, because if for some reason you can't ride it out you'll need someone to take you to the hosiptal cause you won't be able to breathe. you'll know if you're seriously allergic trust me and it will come on very fast...

i must say though none of this is likely.

also i am not a doctor so don't take my advice as such.

 

[SilverDC4]

Alright, yeah, I plan on having someone there to help in case of a bad reaction. And I'll definitely start off as slowly as possible. I'm glad you reminded me that there's safer ways to test for a reaction, like on the skin and under the tongue. Does amount matter in the case of an allergic reaction? As in, would it be possible to not have any signs of a reaction with a lower dose, but with higher doses, the opposite happen? Like, if I did a tiny amount, and had no reaction, would it be possible that with a higher dose I'd have a severe allergic reaction? I understand that most of you aren't doctors, but your help is very much appreciated.

 

[dmcheatw]

i really don't think you need to worry, like i said you'll know pretty quickly if you can ride it out or not.. unless you are highly, highly allergic you'll be fine. especially with benadryl. i also don't know about the interaction between benadryl and heroin but if you really think you'll have a reaction then you'll need to take 1 benadryl beforehand as well.

if you decide to put some of it on your skin put it on a tender place like your inner thigh or arm, not sure how to put it there and make it stay though. if you don't go the skin route then just swallow some and see what happens.

yes the less you consume the less the reaction will be if you have one at all. just work your way up slowly, i'm confident you'll know if you're having a reaction or not... initially you'll be taking doses too small to get high from so if you feel any itching, chest tightness, hives, itchy and/or watery eyes, and swelling especially in the face you'll know it's signs of a reaction and not from the drug.

all that said, you'll be fine, severe allergic reactions that close up your airway are not all that common.

 

[NotQuiteAnonymous]

Codeine is far more likely to cause an allergic reaction when compared to most other opiates. Both demerol and codeine can cause a nasty release of histamine that usually doesn't occur with other opiates.

 

[lightitup]

Don't go thinking that you are having a reaction because you are itching, that is normal on opiates. Everyone itches on opiates because it releases your histamines.

Have someone you trust to watch you carefully, and take all the advice given above. Be safe, and start slow. Good luck

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

no, you are 100% ay okay to do heroin...

a lot of people have bad reactions to codeine due to the low ceilling dose...

ive had hives myself from it

codeine is just like that, either your body reacts good or reacts bad.

but heroin or oxycodone, no1 reacts bad [only nausia and shit like that from taking too much]

and just stick to oxycodone (percs) , u wont be so tempted to shoot as u will with H

 

[Depressicaa]

Welcome to the forums.
Having an allergic reaction to codeine doesn't mean that you will have the same reaction to all opiates. That was the main reason there are so many different ones.

I hope you are responsible with your drug use, and welcome to the world of opiates! Its never a bad idea to have Narcan around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcan

Snort the heroin, see how it affects you. Don't take the anti-histamine yet until you gauge the effect that the heroin will have on you. And make sure someone is close so they can take care of you. Once you get used to the effects, you should be able to hold your own.

 

[El Cubano Poco]

Lotta good advice around here! Only thin I'd change is that even though you can easily fix by yourself with practice, having a buddy is Never a bad idea


I'm so happy that we can provide help for anyone, including each other when corrections neet to be made Thanks guys

 

[Kurrupt]

I'm allergic to codeine and have never had trouble using any other opiates, synthetic or not, including heroin.

 

[jamesBrown]

no, you are 100% ay okay to do heroin...

a lot of people have bad reactions to codeine due to the low ceilling dose...

ive had hives myself from it

codeine is just like that, either your body reacts good or reacts bad.

but heroin or oxycodone, no1 reacts bad [only nausia and shit like that from taking too much]

and just stick to oxycodone (percs) , u wont be so tempted to shoot as u will with H

I think you are making assumptions that shouldnt be made in this situation. The OP DID NOT..."have a bad reaction to codeine due to the low ceiling dose.."....the OP is ALLERGIC to codeine....thats why he was worried about doing another opiate, because all opiates are similar to one another and its possible that if you are allergic to one of them, you may be allergic to another. SO it is not good advice to assume that this person is NOT allergic to heroin because we have no way of knowing that. So please don't automatically tell hi that hes "100% OK to do heroin.."....you dont know that....no one knows that. Not until he takes it atleast....but he should be very cautious the first time he does take it.

And also....some people actually DO have bad reactions to heroin and oxy....believe it or not....its called an allergic reaction. So, also, dont tell people ..."no one reacts bad to heroin or oxy..."...I in fact have a friend that is allergic to hydrocodone, oxycodone, and heroin.

this is a harm reduction site.....please think before you speak.

 

[SilverDC4]

Eh, thank all of you for the help, but after further research I think I'm going to attempt to get more acquainted with some of the weaker opiates (not codeine of course), before I jump straight on the horse. Maybe some Morphine or something, if I can find it. The high of Heroin sounds very appealing to me, even though normally I hate being "sedated", hell I don't even smoke weed anymore, because after I tried stimulants I lost interest in being tired and lazy. The fact Heroin sounds appealing to me is concerning because I've also read a lot about addiction. Fear of addiction has never stopped me from trying any other drugs, but in the mean time, I think I'll start smaller with the opiates, test my allergies (safely as discussed), and see how I enjoy the high....

Anyone agree/disagree? second opinions? Can the words "responsible" and "heroin" go together? This all may be in the eye of the beholder, because I think I use cocaine responsibly but others may think that there's no such thing as responsible coke use. Hell some people even think marijuana is a highly addictive substance. (not to compare marijuana and heroin, just saying). I really wanna try it, but I wanna know more about it, from users preferably.

And my bad if there's info on this already, I'm definitely looking into it more, you don't have to answer, if it's there I'll find it, I just don't have the time to look right at the moment, and sorta got a little off topic on my response lol, I have a lot of questions as you can see.

Also, knowing that I'm allergic to codeine, what would be some other opiates that would be safer to "cautiously" try....? I'm guessing all of them other than codeine but recommendations are appreciated.

 

[ejnjgrl822]

i started will pills about a year ago (roxi, oxy) then in april i met someone who was a month off the needle and her and i did heroin (my first time) i said id never do it again and now its sept and im still doing it daily. i only sniff it. never ever shot up and i dont plan on it. wether you shoot or sniff its still very addictive and even going into it "cautiously" doesnt mean anything. heroin isnt something to mess with. and honestly if i could go back in time i wouldnt have started any opiates though now i love them. the highs are amazing but after that the lows dont really make up for the highs. so many people lost their lives to doing these drugs. youl go into it thinking "oh il only do it once and i wont be addicted and blah blah" but things with heroin turn real bad real fast. trust me. your going to do what your going to do but coming from someone who sniffs dope i say dont do it and if you do and you do enjoy it then take it at that and dont continue using because in the blink of an eye you can be where i am or even worse than where im at right now. be careful please and make sure you make the right decision for yourself. these habits get real bad real fast.

 

[Kopesetik]

Gimme a break kid

Listen kid,.... not for nothing but do you realize what a complete retard you sound like??? you sound like a little kid researching some school project,... it's always guys like you who say "Im not gonna get hooked,.... oh no not me" Please!! get a clue! take it from someone who started out just like you, same questions, same attitude saying I was to smart and never gonna get hooked and then one day you wake up and feel so sick and you don't know why and then BAM!!! it hits you & you realize your addicted to smack! it took me years of trying to finally get clean and it cost me a lot,..... in Friends, Family, Jobs, Money, girlfriend etc,... So please I implore you don't go down that road,... at least cocaine is not physically addicting but Heroin is VERY addicting and you sound like a smart kid,.... I mean shit I started because I was going through a very rough time due to someon close to me dying and H wasa the only thing that would dull the pain but your like " I stumbled on to a steady H connection so Im gonna start doing H??? that is so retarded sounding that its actually quite funny. I don't want to be rude I just want to drill it into you that you are so playing with fire not to mention the fact that if you are allergic to the H then your really screwed because its about 50 times more potent then codeine so good luck and good ridance!!