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-Cocaine- Read with an open mind -Cocaine-

yes, he's definitely in his honeymoon phase with cocaine. it's kind of sad, actually. i think everyone who has been addicted to coke sounded like that at the beginning...
 
This post actually kicks ass, if you look at it. I mean, its good enough to be harm reduction or a "best of"

What I'm talking about is this- Check out the times of the posts. You can see lil'cunt go from a enthusastic cokehead to an angry crashing idot.
 
There is no such thing as a false emotion. If you are feeling it, then it is by definition possible for you to feel that way.

I don't care if something is from mother earth or from a Star Trek matter synthesizer.

If not A then not B does not translate to if A then B.

Coke is fun occasionally. Its evil and insane and fun. You can't be evil and insane every day, though. Some days you have to do the laundry and go to the grocery store.

Moan bitch whine.
 
i don't mind a little cocaine once in a while but I haven't done cocaine in MONTHS and don't have much of a desire to. I think opiates are much better drugs IMO. This could have been a better post if you had worded it differently and you probably wouldn't have gotten flamed as badly as you did.
 
Although I agree with littlecunt in some ways..I cant help but think its really ironic that I said those things too like a year and a half ago..for me coke came in stages and that self justifying talk was part of it..not trying to bash anyone or anything but just keep your boots laced..you aint seen nothin' yet ;)
 
Everybody loves cocaine, unless you're a junkie and you let it take control of your life.
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I don't love cocaine and i am not a junkie who has let it take control of my life.

I have tried cocaine on 4 separate occasions in my life in various quantities (within a time period of 3 months). I know that the quality was good because people with more experience than me took the same cocaine and said that it was of good quality. Importantly; these were not the people who sold me the cocaine.

Small amounts of cocaine feel more like a useful stimulant than a recreational drug. Useful but not enjoyable. Larger amounts feel good for a little while, then leave me feeling jittery and confused. Also i find the social stimulation off-putting because i know it is fake and thus i overcompensate and become withdrawn and antisocial. With my natural checks on social awareness removed by the confidence that cocaine provides i feel less capable, not more.

I will not take cocaine again. Even if it was offered for free (and it was, and i did turn it down - i was most relieved).

Why did i take it 4 times? I will admit that i did enjoy some of the experience offered by cocaine and i wanted to know exactly what it was. After trying it 4 times at different dosage levels i felt sure enough that it was not the drug for me.
 
Re: Re: -Cocaine- Read with an open mind -Cocaine-

K'dOUTinAZ said:
Everybody loves Raymond unless you like Seinfeld
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Actually, I dig Raymond AND Seinfeld.. so take that!


This thread is awesome, because laughing is fun. =D
 
littlecunt said:
Let's hope it all turns out well.
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Oh 'littlecunt,' yes I hope it turns out well for you. I read your post with an open mind and I am sorry your post was met with hostility. However, your post disturbed me as it did others and I hope you will read this response with an open mind.

If you want to share the positive experiences you've had on cocaine you should post a trip report in the section called 'trip report.' But as you posted a love letter to cocaine challenging people's impressions of the drug you incited debate. I don't think their reservations were unfounded. I have met a very few people who were able to use coke occasionally as a sort of 'cocktail' drug for conversation parties. You may well be one of these people and I hope you are .... But your faith in the drug should not go unchecked.

Anyone who has done social work among people with 'personality disorders' or anyone who has studied the tendencies of addiction will attest that there are certain unfortunate patterns among cocaine abuse. Often people with a shaky sense of self will use cocaine therapeutically and feel confident and safe while on the drug, they'll feel like they're 'supposed' to feel. But narcissistic people become only more narcissistic with cocaine use. It is sad to see people feel 'perfect' when they're on cocaine, expressing dreams that they never attempt to act on.

Now I have never met you of course, and even if I did I would not be so arrogant to attempt to 'diagnose' you ... but it's really overwhelming how often this pattern of abuse occurs.

Another problem with cocaine, and the reason I stay away from it, is that it can easily become a binge drug. Just like liquor will take some one over, cocaine will take some people over almost immediately ... they'll forget how many lines they've done, they won't care but will just want one other, they'll spend enormous amounts of money. Now, you say you're not such a person and of course I believe you.

As for crack, I agree, people should not judge crack users as 'lowlifes.' But again, crack can very quickly become the center piece of someone's life.

Now the reason why your post disturbed me is this. You say yourself that cocaine makes life 'easier' and then you conclude by saying 'this is love.' What is love? What are you referring to?

People who use speed, painkillers, etc. will quickly see through the bullshit and admit that they're indulging in a buzz or in escapism or in addiction. They don't say: this is love.

Some drugs are therapeutic. Psychedelics can be therapeutic ... some will use it every once and awhile, gain insights that they integrate. Marijuana can be therapeutic. And various psych-meds can perhaps be therapeutic.

Cocaine is not therapeutic. Don't assume that this is DARE rhetoric. If it seems to be solving your problems and if your social interactions feel deeper I hope you will maintain scepticism and not pretend you are getting to a deeper part of yourself. The conversations should be love and your interactions with others should be love and your own attitude to yourself should be love. And maybe it is so for you. Post a trip report if you want to talk about it.

Again, I hope it all turns out well as you said.
 
^^^ Co-sign.

If only everyone had responded as pleasantly as nicnic, then lil would have stayed on the board- and we could have used his posts as a sort of harm-reduction thing, a sticky of his posts that follows his downfall as addiction overcomes him.

Of course that said, he may be using the drug with some responsibility, and we assume he isnt because he is an arrogant cock by nature.
 
hehe littlecunt i liked your post...don't get too upset about the people who were hating on you.

i think i can feel your pain....i'm a big fan of cocaine for much of the same reasons you are. but all my cocaine friends are at college and so all summer i haven't been able to do coke with people. i was so surprised when i learned none of my friends around here like cocaine and i was also surprised you got so many negative responses here.

there's something about that drug....i guess it's just too powerful for some people. and everyone who isn't able to control their cocaine use seems to automatically assume no one else is able to either...

i think you were right on the money with your original post littlecunt, especially the part about how only people who love themselves should do cocaine. i've always loved myself and felt completely confident and at peace....the cocaine confidence rush simply augments that. i guess for people who aren't at peace with themselves they might take the cocaine euphoria and make that their normal everyday confidence. now obviously that's asking for trouble but all these people shouldn't be assuming every cocaine user does that. the smart cocaine user takes the euphoric confidence rush for what its worth, and that is it's a real emotion brought on by a real gift from the earth, but not one that you can become _dependent_ on for happiness at all.

i feel bad people weren't more receptive to littlecunt's message, but i can see of course why everyone reacted the way they did at littlecunt's phrasing. seems like the kind of writing that only someone on the same level of respect for oneself and cocaine would understand.

arrgh this thread makes me wish my friends here did cocaine or i could go back to college today.

oh one more thing, cocaine is definitely theraputic. there can be no doubt about that...cocaine has helped me become easier with socializing moreso than any other drug. i could imagine someone with confidence problems taking cocaine in a theraputic session or with friends to try and see a confident person's perspective. people laughing off the idea of cocaine as theraputic just isn't cool...i bet most of you here agree with shulgin that e is theraputic. so why do to cocaine what the DEA and others have done to e? almost any drug can be theraputic...thats what they are there for..
 
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i totally agree that cocaine can be considered therapeutic ... if not for everybody then definetely for a smaller group of people

coke totally allowed me to become a more social person ... i mean when ur high u can talk bullshit for hours and be the center of attention and you get comfortable feeling that way

so next time ur normal its easier to be more open with ppl and lose ur inhibitions ... coke kinda gives u a kickstart experience in socializing ... however if u start using cocaine as a crutch compensating for your assumed deficiencies and dont benefit from it or learn anything in the process then ur digging your own grave
 
I used crack every weekend for a year. I had some amazing experiances. I eventually stopped because I simply wasn't going to get anything else from it, plus some other circumstances in my life. It was the best high I have ever experianced. I had some beautiful, awesome times.

That said..cocaine is by no means a Godsend. You think because it comes from a plant it's natural? With that line of logic, EVERYTHING is natural because all un-natural things are made/synthesized from something that was already here.

Cocaine can be a good time, but my only advice, as someone who has been there, is be VERY, VERY careful. I can tell exactly what you are feeling from reading your first post because I've been there. Have fun, but watch out, the devils got a grasp on you already.

*BTW, 9 months clean here*
 
I want to jump in and state, for the record, that I believe cocaine CAN be a therapeutic drug. It's just that it usually isn't. The problem is that people who use it don't seem to actually "learn" anything from it. They basically rely on it to continue making them social or whatever. IMO if one were to actually learn from it, they would eventually be able to maintain social comfort without it. I've yet to see this happen.

Oh, and also...

maddkatt said:
coke totally allowed me to become a more social person ... i mean when ur high u can talk bullshit for hours and be the center of attention
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You said it... People who are coked up generally only talk BULLSHIT. It's tiresome to listen to. Also, I really can't stand it when people on coke get loud and make SURE that they are the center of attention. I wish it would just make people feel good, and not make them talk ON and ON and ON. "Please, give someone else a chance to speak, you've been talking for a half hour now!!"

That being said, I've done coke many times. When I was 19, I knew a chemist who made pure, synthetic cocaine, and I had a blast with it.... until the day I realized I became the person I just described in my previous paragraph. I still do it every once in a while, maybe twice a year or so, if that often. But I only do it with other people who are also doing it. I know from experience that people who aren't on coke are NOT impressed with the conversation and social "skills" coming from people who ARE on coke....

Church
 
I have had an open-mind with coke in my past. But the thing is, after one BIG line, I wanted more and more. So addiction is not just you, it's how you can deal with the physical will for more coke.
 
I think cocaine is some sneaky shit. I used to think this could never become a regular thing for me and it still hasn't, but I catch myself more and more often thinking about it and slowly changing my opinion from cocaine is evil to cocaine is fun. :/
Then again I'm really quiet sure chewing a couple of grams leaf material once in a while is totally fine, probably a lot less habit forming than coffee. And it's also wuiet useful to use it for studying purposes if you don't feel like ingesting synthetics.

crOOk
 
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