cocaine purity only 5%, what the hell are people putting up their noses?

[Myshkin]

Inflation...£60 then was more than £100 is now in relativity to a weeks wages.

I disagree with what Sam's said, the £100 flake now anytime I've had it has been consistently top notch. Six years ago I knew one guy who got stuff nearly as good, but mostly the £50 stuff then wasn't half as pure as the £100 is now.

Six years ago is hardly a yardstick though, as it was around that time that quality levels dipped to new lows and stayed there. Hence my mention of 'six years ago', if that makes things any clearer. That's when even I started to notice something was really up, though it took me until 2008 to quit.

And it surprises me that anyone was buying coke at £50 a gram until things bottomed out. That would've a rip off back in 2006, but maybe you were an early adopter of the two-tier market. Either that or your dealer was a thief.

Maybe both of those options mean exactly the same thing.

 

[dee_dee]

One thing cocaine is renowned for in history globally is its price and quality has always remained consistant, theres never really been much change, that is until the last decade or so quality wise and now recentley this whole price super coke thing, which is a bit bollox really if you ask me.

 

[dee_dee]

people need to stop making excuses for the market. u can bet your bottom dollar the 60 pound oyster sheen mother of pearl i was sniffing two decades ago was better than this bullshine 100 pound stuff.

i dont doubt for a minute this expensive stuff is better than all this council estate 40 pound repress chav shit, so people that only no all this shit think there getting something super special for 100 quid.

its a con, and a very big con at that.

 

[DavisK4high247]

Cocaine in the US seems to stay the same price, and in many places it's the purity that goes down, but the price stays the same. I live in an area close to the gulf of Mexico where direct imports of cocaine are done,and also close enough to the border with Mexico,and the interstates going east and west and south to north that are both major trasit routes for cocaine,weed,crystal meth, etc.. Coke here is still pretty cheap and pure, due to the supply being high, and the demand being stable, or lower than in past decades becasue of many former coke users tunring to crystal meth as a cheaper , much,much longer lasting high. Coke sells for about $60-80 per gram for "flake" or "fishscale" as it;s sometimes called and an 1/8th Ounce (3.5 grams) sells for $80-150 each, the purity is the same or even better for the cheaper coke, becasue I can get it from higher level dealers who sell it cheaper, but at higher volume. purity is said to be from 70-80% for grams and so on..
I did coke in the mid 1990's that was much more expensive and was more around 50% pure and It was really shit IMO. I do not see how someone could get high off 4 or 5 % pure coke, I would think that all the cuts would clog up the nose and prevent what little coke is in it from being absorbed into the nasal membranes for the most part.
Anyway, big dealers could obtain some ammonia and ether and prepare base cocaine, which is up to 95%+ pure and then add hydrochloric acid to the filtered solution to get back cocaine Hcl, although at 5% pure, a 100 grams would give you only 5 grams of pure cocaine, 95-99% pure that is..But surely dealers who obtain mulitple kilograms of coke get it at higher than 5% pure, I imagine 50% pure for kilograms, although I dunno, but they could do and acid/base extraction and recrytalization with Hcl acid to obtain a very pure product, although, I imagine as long as people will continue to buy 5% pure coke, they will keep selling it at that purity..

 

[beans91]

people need to stop making excuses for the market. u can bet your bottom dollar the 60 pound oyster sheen mother of pearl i was sniffing two decades ago was better than this bullshine 100 pound stuff.

i dont doubt for a minute this expensive stuff is better than all this council estate 40 pound repress chav shit, so people that only no all this shit think there getting something super special for 100 quid.

its a con, and a very big con at that.

Like I said earlier the £70 bit I can get at the moment is considerably better than the £100 bit so pricing is obviously not being done on the basis of quality. People are only coming up with these ridiculas prices because people are paying them and therefore letting the dealers get away with it.

 

[dee_dee]

yeah in todays market id say 70 pounds is a fair price to be paying for reasonable coke, anything over that is just taking the piss.

in the last year and a half i think ive been offered prices of "special stuff" at 70, 80, and 100.

naturally i declined. :D

nah seriously i would pay 70 for reasonable but the rest is a pisstake. the only people championing the cause of those extreme prices are the people profiting from it or the people that would like to think there cocaine conneisuers, lol.

 

[mattnotrik]

people need to stop making excuses for the market. u can bet your bottom dollar the 60 pound oyster sheen mother of pearl i was sniffing two decades ago was better than this bullshine 100 pound stuff.

Aye but that was 20 years ago.. with inflation what £60 was back then would get you exactly the same stuff you would now for that price if not cheaper.

There is alot of shite coke around but there is also alot of very nice flake about, £100 would get you the mother of all pearl these days as long as you went to the right person.

Its annoying we have a 2 tier market for everything coke, weed, pills but theres nothing we can do about it, people will still always but the cheap shite and people will buy the expensive stuff, unless you go out there and buy an absolute weight of something theres not much that can be done..

 

[Mailmonkey]

yeah early 90's was always 60 quid, or a hundred dollars, always prett good quality, I think I was often done on weight though, didn't have scales to check..........

 

[rockstar 69]

Six years ago is hardly a yardstick though, as it was around that time that quality levels dipped to new lows and stayed there. Hence my mention of 'six years ago', if that makes things any clearer. That's when even I started to notice something was really up, though it took me until 2008 to quit.

And it surprises me that anyone was buying coke at £50 a gram until things bottomed out. That would've a rip off back in 2006, but maybe you were an early adopter of the two-tier market. Either that or your dealer was a thief.

Maybe both of those options mean exactly the same thing.

You've just completely contradicted your previous argument.

And end up paying more than twice what you were paying six or seven years ago for product which was either the same as today's 'high' grade or often better.

Your argument doesn't make much sense does it. Not surprising as you don't like cocaine anymore and are out of touch with the scene.

In 2006 I could pay £40 and get poor quality, sometimes half decent. Or pay £50 off one guy for high quality.

Now it's £100 for the business. Or £70 for stuff that's still very high quality, probably better value for money as it's not far off but not so perfectly clean looking.

I agree with you in 2008 drugs for me became a joke, now is not so bad. Pricey if you want good drugs..

 

[Myshkin]

You've just completely contradicted your previous argument.

Explain how? You'll find I haven't at all. What you will find is that you misinterpreted my argument in the first place. Never mind.

Your argument doesn't make much sense does it. Not surprising as you don't like cocaine anymore and are out of touch with the scene.

If anything ever deserved a 'hallelujah' then it's that fact.

 

[rockstar 69]

Explain how? You'll find I haven't at all. What you will find is that you misinterpreted my argument in the first place. Never mind.




If anything ever deserved a 'hallelujah' then it's that fact.

Read the two quotes, first post you said the quality in 2006 was much better. Then you go on to say it dipped to new lows.. :D

Yeah I knocked on the head mostly. Only when your flush and there's a few g's of El Pedrino's personal stash I indulge these days.

 

[Myshkin]

Read the two quotes, first post you said the quality in 2006 was much better. Then you go on to say it dipped to new lows.. :D

And tell me how these two facts are mutually exclusive? (Answer: They're not.)

You'll also notice I never mentioned 2006 as being 'much better' but in fact stated that was when I began to notice a real difference. Your man needs a little more straw to fill him out; he's looking thin.

The fact remains that today's £100 gram is 2001's average stuff. As Dee says, it's a con.

Enjoy your coke.

 

[rockstar 69]

And end up paying more than twice what you were paying six or seven years ago for product which was either the same as today's 'high' grade or often better

Todays £100 a gramme what I know is about as good as you will find anywhere, pretty much bang on what mattnotrik describes. It would be hard to get better coke save going to S.A and overlooking the process yourself.

people need to stop making excuses for the market. u can bet your bottom dollar the 60 pound oyster sheen mother of pearl i was sniffing two decades ago was better than this bullshine 100 pound stuff

Haha. The fact he had it 20 years ago for slightly less (not really if you take inflation into account) makes it better? It's probably about the same quality, description fits the bill anyway.

The price is expensive, but then with coke it always has been a "rich mans" drug so...

 

[Myshkin]

It's not a con, do you really expect people to risk major jail time for a couple of grand profit? Would you?

Possibly. I know I'd rather go to jail than step on a product that's seized at the borders at purity levels averaging around 70% until it's as low as 5%. Simple as that.

Even you (with your strange sympathy for the plight of the 'honest' cocaine gangster) can't deny that something's going seriously wrong down the line. Ergo it's a con. Where did that 65% go?

And rockstar - you build a good straw man, I'll admit, but I'll forgo demonic possession of him at the moment and stick to addressing points that are relevant to the ones I was actually trying to get across. Now carry on sniffing.

 

[Munroe]

When its cut that far up the chain, at kilo level before it enters the country, the cuts are comparatively harmless, dodgy shite only tends to get added further down the chain when people are adding any old white powder to bulk it out.

 

[Munroe]

I can tell now i've re-read it, fuckin' MXE seems to be encouraging me to reply to people without properly reading what they've said

 

[MDMike]

the way i see it is you get what you pay for.

if you want to pay 30 quid for a gram its gonna be shit isnt it. when 1000g is £60-70k a go your not getting much coke per gram (if any) if your buying at lowest level street deals.

 

[Xtcpill69]

Fuck "cocaine" full of hate! You can get 5 grams of gold for the price of 1 gram of "cocaine" I know alot of people that spend £200 a weekend on the shit. I ask them why, they never give me a straight answer.

 

[nomy]

My problem is that I actually like the short duration high of coke and the pretty none existent come down - from my typical useage - is a bonus. Since my sources have dried up though I really do miss it. Sure I can get some pretty decent phet if I really wanted to, but I just don't wanna be buzzing the whole night and the next day away anymore. Too old for that now. Stim RC's that I am aware of hold the same long duration problem.

So since I am lucky enough to have enough disposable income now (one advantage of getting old) paying for quality flake isn't a problem. Locating it is. And boy have I been burnt trying to find it. I just love a few lines, and some MD. My perfect night.

I just lament the fantastic source I had when I lived near the footballers in Manc. I had one dial a gram man who sold to the wags. He was selling class pearl until 3 years ago at 50 on the g then.

 

[I Eat Pho]

I realize this may be of topic but I never understood why if people are so adamant at scoring the yayo and are so sick of the quality then why not put the effort into extracting it yourself?

It is very possible and not terribly difficult to extract your own from coca leaf. You don't need prior chemistry knowledge like others will make you believe although it would be tremedously helpful.

You just need to be decently intelligent and be willing to do TONS of research. I'm talking a few months of research + trial and error. Also you will need money to purchase the items required and the smarts to order certain items without being put on a watch list. Again, with enough research you can accomplish this feat. There are many people who do so on a regular basis for themselves and their friends. And not ALL of them are chemists or even took any chemistry classes in college.

If you're spending the amount of money you all are saying on the shit anyway, why not invest it in some equipment?