clenbuterol during pct??

thank you , explain what an ECA stack is?? im not too concerned about keeping my gains as much as the mass ive put on, im hopeing clen will burn some of the extra fat..
 
clen is not anabolic....

i wouldn't use it post cycle. your body has enough to deal with, with trying to re-start natural testosterone, hold the size gained during cycle, keep estrogen in check.....

also clen makes you jittery as fook....which i would argue is catabolic...since this is the natural fight or flight (adrenalin/cortisol) reaction.... save it for during a cycle when your body is anabolic and can handle such things.
 
winthrop said:
clen is not anabolic....

i wouldn't use it post cycle. your body has enough to deal with, with trying to re-start natural testosterone, hold the size gained during cycle, keep estrogen in check.....

also clen makes you jittery as fook....which i would argue is catabolic...since this is the natural fight or flight (adrenalin/cortisol) reaction.... save it for during a cycle when your body is anabolic and can handle such things.
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Ann Pharmacother. 1995 Jan;29(1):75-7.
Effect of clenbuterol on athletic performance.

Spann C, Winter ME.

School of Pharmacy, University of California, San Francisco 94143.

Unlike inhaled beta 2-agonists, more studies need to be performed before the action of systemic beta 2-agonists on athletic performance can be assessed accurately. Experiments in animals with oral clenbuterol have shown augmentation in muscle bulk across numerous species, but human studies cannot confirm similar muscle mass enlargement in healthy men. Although the human studies demonstrate the potential for long-acting systemic beta 2-agonists to increase muscle strength in certain muscle fiber types, it is difficult to judge the drugs' effects on overall athletic performance, because athletic skill is more than strength, speed, and endurance. The effect of oral clenbuterol on athletic performance cannot be evaluated from its actions on muscle strength alone. However, as evidence stands now, sports regulatory agencies are correct to ban systemic beta 2-agonists until the following 2 points can be proven: (1) oral forms provide a therapeutic benefit that cannot be obtained with aerosol or inhaled forms; and (2) oral forms do not give any unfair advantage to the competitor in muscle strength, power output, or endurance. Provided they are administered as prescribed, aerosol or inhaled beta-agonists do not impart an unfair advantage or enhance athletic performance and can continue to be used in competition by athletes with EIA.

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maakshif: I will not even attempt to refute that. My first controversy on BL and I lose...awesome. Good references though. Guess broscience got the best of me. Damn.

btw, great link on eca stack. I've never seen that site before; lots of good info.
 
You gave good info. I felt confident going in, but you crushed me. ha

It's cool though man I'm glad I know now. I've already boomarked some studies for future reference.
 
Old thread, though cbf making a new one.

I read conflicting date on clen during/after pct to be used as an anti-catabolic. Is this true or bullshit? I wouldn't use it as a cutter, just to prevent muscle wasting, would it be any use to help keep gains whilst the body is in a catabolic state?
 
its reported clen is Anabolic. to what level of effect I don't know. as was stated though, I'd wait til finished with pct as hormone rebalancing to me is more iimportant than cutting. though when one does start clen, Guido I believe reported good things with the Helios injectable clen/yohimbine solution.
 
nolys said:
Or some form of cortisol blocker?
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Clen used to be advised for PCT for that very reason nolys many years ago (2004) ish'... Steroid.com was one of the places I read about it (not the best reference I know)...
Also advised was Nolva, Clomid, HCG, and Proviron, with Clen...

You don't read any reference now to actions involved in cortisol blocking, maybe its because it was bollocks to start with I don't know...

Regards Clen allegedly actively promoting muscle growth, I have studies showing clen to promote lean body mass, which if your burning off body fat the overall result will be a greater percentage of muscle to fat ratio... (without actually increasing the overall size of skeletal muscle)... maybe thats where it comes from I don't know..

Apparently there was a review back in 1995 Medicines and Science in Sports and Exercise which pointed out the possibility of anabolic effects in humans was very questionable based only upon animal data....
 
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So basically its bullshit?
I suppose if it were to actually work everyone would be reccomending it for pct, whilst I've never seen it mentioned before come to think of it.
I don't want to cut anytime soon, just preserve any gains I make this cycle, think ill stick to clomid/nolva
 
Mind On Money said:
Clen is slighty anabolic I would think it to be beneficial during pct.
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Only if you are not human. I can't remember why, but apparently we don't have the receptors needed that make it anabolic for other animals such as horses. It does have anti-catabolic properties though at dosages under 80mcg or so.
 
Serotonin101 said:
its reported clen is Anabolic. to what level of effect I don't know. as was stated though, I'd wait til finished with pct as hormone rebalancing to me is more iimportant than cutting. though when one does start clen, Guido I believe reported good things with the Helios injectable clen/yohimbine solution.
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It was good for promoting lean muscle by causing fat loss and loss of subcutaneous water.

Clenbuterol isn't something you run during PCT.
 
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