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Allein said:
are you trying to suggest that pistols went to private schools ?D
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No, i was listing bands and artists i consider to be working class heros.

There was one guy in our school considered to be a mad, hard bastard, no one messed with him. Fortunately that particular guy did not have it in for me at school. I dont think he was a bully. A lad who was later to become one on my friends took him on and stood up to him in one of the most viscious fights i ever saw, but i think my future friend got slaughtered IIRC. Rumour has it that the hard nut later went to the cities to take part in underground fight club type things, involviving blades and all.

The guy grabbed me by the lappels one evening for failing to say 'good evening' to him as i walked by, (i wasnt being ignorant or rude, i felt as if i didnt know him, and that it would have been presumptios of me to say hello. He got offended. I often get misunderstood in ways like this, people think im being snobby when the opposite is true) he had eyes as dead as a shark and i dint know what he was going to do. Im no fighter, i dunno how to fight, though i did punch the shit out of one of my friends one day when we fell out, i knew i wouldnt stand a chance agsinst this guy, and i just aplogised to the mad hard bastard with the dead eyes, and treated him with the utmost respect and friendliness next time i saw him. That was an important lesson to learn, the guy allways yelled a cheery hello to me even from across the street from then onwards.
 
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One Thousand Words said:
it is simply the lower classes who have no desire to become a politician not because they are being prevented from it.
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There is some truth in this, which is a shame. The deposit needed to run as an MP is £500 which could realistically be raised by a committed group who are passionate about a particular local issue that has popular support.
A locally based group of people who aren't spending all their time working the city are probably more able to ring doorbells and engage with the public.
So it's possible, if you could get people to bother to vote
One MP will only be able to influence local issues...but its a foot in the door...?
Politics would be more meaningful if more people did this. Everyone is sick of the big 3 but nobody does much about it

off topic - but - NIMBYism would be easiest route to become an independent... but local authorities no longer have any say over weather or not fracking can take place in their area...I could be wrong about this.
Preventing wind farms and burning brown people would be the most effective route to take, if my conversations with taxi drivers are anything to go by
 
One Thousand Words said:
, it is simply the lower classes who have no desire to become a politician not because they are being prevented from it.
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bummer said:
There is some truth in this, which is a shame.
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No.

Our cultural norms and expectations are not plucked out of a vacuum. There is a reason why private schoolboys speak with booming voices expecting to be heard while your average comprehensive kid ends up as a dustman.

See if you can work out why.
 
They seem to be bought up with a sense of entitlement. Have you seen the film Sightseers ? I suspect you would enjoy it.

Its so true about the booming voices, i once had upper middle class neighbours, dunno why they were slumming it on this street, but man was that kid loud, his loud posh voice would ring out like a sore thumb. They were a nice couple, the parents, but that kid was a fucking brat. As a baby he cried so loudly sevral times every night i could hear him in every room in my house. Other families that have lived next door to me had much quieter babies.
 
Allein said:
I mean Steve Jones spent most of his use squating a warehouse teaching himself guitar.
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I could tell you things about Steve Jones that would put you off him for life. But I'm not here to spoil your fantasies.

What I will say is did you see the Pistols documentary on Boxing Day? The one about their free gig for striking workers schoolkids in Huddersfield? Right at the end Steve Jones, looking quite pathetic, showed some contrition for the first time in his life, admitting he'd missed out on any education at all, either from school or his parents. He was quite sad about this.

It's nice to see that sometimes what goes around comes around.

PS Where's my disc? ;)
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
No.

Our cultural norms and expectations are not plucked out of a vacuum. There is a reason why private schoolboys speak with booming voices expecting to be heard while your average comprehensive kid ends up as a dustman.

See if you can work out why.
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Are you saying that we are simply the product of our environment and background ?
That we have no free will.
That a person who comes from a shit background can't work hard and make a success of themselves ?

having given this a bit more thought I've realized your post could be taken two ways.

Are you saying the public expect our leaders to be public school boy smoothies ?
Or are you saying working class people expect to stack shelves or sign on ?

If its the former, well maybe now more than ever people would like to vote for someone they can relate to ( I do realize I'm being a little...optimistic / cheesy here )

If it's the latter then Ive already covered that. If you come from a working class background it is going to be a lot harder to get rich and / or powerful, but it's not impossible
 
Sammy G said:
Somebody's been swallowing the myth of meritocracy.
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:?
Eh ?
Don't get how that applies to what I have been saying.
I'm basically saying anyone with enough drive could at least try to become an mp.

Using the current system as it exists now.

With enough brains somebody could milk the 'man of the people' angle and use their roots as an advantage. It is all pretty much PR and show bizz anyway.
 
bummer said:
:?
Eh ?
Don't get how that applies to what I have been saying.
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From what I've read, you appear to believe we live in a meritocratic society and that an individual's social mobility is directly proportionate to the amount of 'hard work' they're willing to put in and whether they have the 'brains' to make themselves heard.

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but that's what I can infer from your posts.

I agree that there's a strong element of showbiz and PR involved in any political campaign, but you must also remember that the media is controlled by powerful groups who protect their own interests, and ultimately it's through the media that the greater public engages with politics.

Your 'man of the people' schtick has been tried countless times by politicians both left and right, marginal and mainstream. It's not necessarily 'the people' who shape the political landscape, however.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
No, i was listing bands and artists i consider to be working class heros.

There was one guy in our school considered to be a mad, hard bastard, no one messed with him. Fortunately that particular guy did not have it in for me at school. I dont think he was a bully. A lad who was later to become one on my friends took him on and stood up to him in one of the most viscious fights i ever saw, but i think my future friend got slaughtered IIRC. Rumour has it that the hard nut later went to the cities to take part in underground fight club type things, involviving blades and all.

The guy grabbed me by the lappels one evening for failing to say 'good evening' to him as i walked by, (i wasnt being ignorant or rude, i felt as if i didnt know him, and that it would have been presumptios of me to say hello. He got offended. I often get misunderstood in ways like this, people think im being snobby when the opposite is true) he had eyes as dead as a shark and i dint know what he was going to do. Im no fighter, i dunno how to fight, though i did punch the shit out of one of my friends one day when we fell out, i knew i wouldnt stand a chance agsinst this guy, and i just aplogised to the mad hard bastard with the dead eyes, and treated him with the utmost respect and friendliness next time i saw him. That was an important lesson to learn, the guy allways yelled a cheery hello to me even from across the street from then onwards.
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Apologies, although I wouldn't be at all supresed if Glen Matlock went to a public school :)

Paul Weller famously beat the shit out of Sid Vicious in a club (101 I think) but then Sid was hardly a fighter.

IME its the quiet unassuming ones you have to be wary of.
 
Allein said:
Paul Weller famously beat the shit out of Sid Vicious in a club (101 I think) but then Sid was hardly a fighter.
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You are the only person in the world to mention this beside myself. Yes its true. Sid was all mouth. Paul Weller, unfortunately for Sid, was one of the few hard bastards to emerge from Surrey.

PS Post 93. Did you see the documentary?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Sid was hardly a bass player either from what i gather he was fucking useless:D But i spose he looked the part and could spit at the crowd and sneer at them as well as anyone.
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Apart from a couple of tracks they garnered from Matlock, Steve Jones played all the bass on 'Never Mind the Bollocks'.
 
Sid's on Bodies.

Ironically that's the best bass part on the entire record. Though Steve Jones' 'play in unison with the rhythm guitar' approach admittedly gives the album a great sound.
 
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