Chronic Pain MEGA Thread

Hey, well fest I wid reccomend dilaudid if you're gna shy a pill. It has less binders sand fillers f all pills. You can start with 4 r 8mg. I'm not too sure ghee ICU water it takes fr I either Oxy or dilaudid. I just use a dropper and wet the order till its al wet and Enugu water to mix it. Mix it into a milky substance and drop a cotton all in. I usually went it a bit first. Then pull up mix thru cotton ball. Most people will say get a micron filter but I've been using a cottnball for 10 months and no errors. Don't forget this is dilaudid. I only shot Oxy once sand didn't Ike it. It burned and high wasn't that great. With a site, I go on my side. Around love handle are but above. There's lots of veins there and no nasty track marks on you're arms. Hope I was a little bit of help. Good luck and be safe. Use 91% rubbing alcohol and clean everything endlessly. Good luck

First thanks for all the advice. I've never shot anything until recently and I only did that because I'm so desperate to relieve the pain and the bioavailability OB the oxymorphone is so terrible when taken orally. I have not tried dilaudid. I will if my doc well give it to me. Sorry for being ignorant, but what is GNA? Thanks again. Later.
 
Hey RealpainreliefT - sorry you're in such a bad situation. Have you tried kratom for pain relief at all? I suspect it may not be strong enough, particularly if you have a tolerance and are looking at H, but it may be worth a shot to try. I used kratom after I had surgery recently because I was afraid of using anything heavy and the tramadol I got didn't do anything. The kratom helped to take the edge off. Good luck - I hope you are able to find some relief and comfort!

Thanks to you too. Most people I think just assume that I'm just trying to get high and dismiss me because of it. I don't know what Kratom is, but I will look it up. Sadly, I am fairly opiate tolerate, for someone who doesn't take them recreationaly anyway. I don't know if I mentioned that I hate the idea of doing H, but at this point, I will try pretty much anything that helps
 
I don't know what GNA is. I didn't put it in my post. Def try to get it from your Dr. The rush is wonderful and I would assume it's safer than H too. Never know what's in that stuff. Keep us posted
 
I'm not sure this thread is still active, but maybe that's ok. I've got so much pent up inside and just need to spill it somewhere. Here is as good as any...active or not.

Prince is an asshole.

I know, it's not kind, nor is it PC to be upset with addicts. I, myself, have always been chubby. I love to eat. But not even I can stretch this to a point where I can 'relate' with drug addicts. Prince was the straw that broke the camel's back. Now, I'm really, really bitter.

17 years ago, I went to walk outside with my 2 yo son. I stopped in the doorway, feeling incredibly sick. I was so weak. It hit me suddenly; completely out of the blue. Then came the aches and pains, and the feeling of some kind of gnawing of the bones in my legs. Then the pain. Holy God...the pain. They said it was fibromyalgia and put me on tramadol and Elavil. For over ten years, the pain continued to grow. So did the exhaustion. I went to so many clinics. Was dismissed as a drug seeker by many. I was taking up to 20 tramadol a day and out of my mind with pain. Pain in my back (I had fractured a vertebrae at 19 and quickly develops arthritis, spinal stenosis, had 3 back surgeries) pain in my legs and arms. I couldn't wear tight clothes. And the fatigue would see me go to bed on a Friday night and literally not get out until work on Monday.

I struggled for 12 years, trying to get someone to listen. Twelve years. That's what it took to finally get the correct diagnosis of Dercum's Syndrome, along with the worsening of my back. Two weeks ago, they found another bulging disc in my neck. And so the wheels continue to turn.

I am currently on tramadol, fentenyl patch, oxychodone, and ibuprofen for pain. An extended release adderall and 2 additional addrall for the fatigue. Not to mention blood pressure meds. Two years ago, at 46, my conditions cost me my career. I have worked since I was 13 and never less than 2 jobs until my 40s. You would think that the pain would be the worst part of my life. But it's not. It's the treatment, and fallout from addicts and the high profile (no pun intended) drug deaths like Princes, that have made my life hell.

I have signed every every drug contract, passed every drug test, picked my meds up at the right time and have never lost them or had them stolen. I take them as I'm supposed to and, before ever moving up to a stronger dose, I max out the current drug until the efficacy is exhausted. For example, I stretched hydrochodone to 6 years before oxychodone.,.i have to do this because neither Dercum's nor back problems are kind enough to kill you. Dercums simply causes moderate to severe pain from lipomas forming under your skin and grinding on the nerves in your legs and arms (imagine dreading a shower because the fucking WATER hurts) and the back pain is simply an additional misery thrown in to ensure that, on the days the Dercums pain is more managed than average, the back pain can kick in and prevent me from having more than one or two days a month where I can honestly say my pain level is a 3, instead of the normal 5 or 6.

For the record...our technological advancements in the past 50 years are almost unfathomable, but we're still relying on paper with faces ranging from happy to sad to treat pain. How goddamed ridiculous is that??

i didn't share this for sympathy. I wanted to show you a bit of my world in hopes you won't judge me too harshly when I say that I would really like to take the people who are adding yet another hellish layer to my life (and others who suffer from shit they don't deserve) because of goddamed addicts and the Princes of the world. Addicts have no idea what we...the VICTIMS...have to go through to get the meds that never take the pain away...they merely damp them down so I can make it to an occasional baseball game or awards ceremony or birthday party for one of my three boys. None of whom, mind you, has ever known a mother that wasn't sick. But even now, the proverbial noose keeps tightening around our necks as more and more doctors stop prescribing pain meds and the FDA intensifies their witch hunts. So, not only do addicts fuck up their own lives, they're fucking up the lives...or the bits that may resemble a life....of people like me. People who suffer due to no fault of their own. I have never gotten 'high' off my meds. Maybe I'm not predisposed to become mentally addicted to pain meds (although I am physiologically addicted...no one who takes meds for chronic pain can avoid that...I remember going cold turkey off of tramadol 10 years ago...almost ended up with me seriously considering suicide) I realize there are people who ARE predisposed to become addicted easily. I'm no different...25 years ago, I tried cocaine and loved it. Loved it more than I could put into words. So, I never did it again because I knew I'd be lost. So that's another reason I despise addicts. You can stop. You have a choice. I don't. Now you might see where you piss me off.

Again...I realize I'm just a mean person who has no empathy for people who just like getting high and don't want to stop. You're right. I AM feeling quite angry, resentful and unsympathetic. Because it is these people who are so fucking self-absorbed with getting their high that they couldn't care less about people who suffer from illness such as cancer, leukemia, Dercums, and many other illnesses where the only treatment available is managing the pain (and notice I say 'manage'. If you're in chronic pain, the goal is to manage...never get rid of pain. Do that and you'll be snuggled up beside Price before too long) That's ALL we have. And we-along with our families-get precious little quality time together. I have missed so much of my kids lives, not to mention my own,,,adding further, unnecessary complications to getting my meds is just fucked up evil and I despise you for it.

I'm glad there is a place where I can vent. I realize I am not going to win any popularity contests, but addicts need to get their heads out of their asses and understand that your boredom and dissatisfaction with life (that you could change, but don't want to because it's too hard) or those who weren't hugged enough by mommy and daddy, isn't an excuse to sit on your ass and get high. You do it because you're lazy. And you think YOUR pain is the only pain that matters. You are selfish and self-absorbed. And while you may be thinking the same about me, you need to remember that I am the one who is doing the right thing and holding up my end of the bargain. My way allows me to get treatment, while setting a positive example with doctors so that they will be available and willing to help for others who suffer. Last but not least, I have chronic, severe pain. Your way closes off avenues for others and causes so many go suffer because you want to subvert the system and get fucked up. So, if I'm self-absorbed, it doesn't affect anything. Yours affects everything. So stop being assholes and simply stop. Take up vaping, pot, exercise, religion or what ever it takes to stop all of this insanity. Whatever it takes for you to stop causing innocent people, who are victimized by diseases and illness, considerably more hell than they're already dealing with.

And if if you don't, just know that Prince....and YOU...will always be complete assholes. Neither of you deserve the lives-lives not spent struggling with physical pain and the anguish from missing out on the lives of our children and families-you were given.

Me thinks you are going to discover more about yourself than you would like to with your current frame of mind now that you are only just starting to be prescribed drugs that are what I'll messily call 'proper' opioids. I hope you don't live in the US too - cos with your chronic pain health conditions you should have up until a few years ago been able to find a Dr willing to prescribe you full agonist opiates....12 years it took?!

As per I think it was Moreaux that had a little to say on your stance regarding drug addicts which personally I think you are, simply by default when you are a chronic pain sufferer despite the dependance vs addiction argument which is sound enough In my opinion but make no mistake you are an addict. It doesn't matter how it happened in my opinion, or your motivation.

If you think your fucked, What about say a drug addict who has moderate to severe chronic pain? Due to their health records it may be known fact that they are an active addict OR what about an ex-addict a recovered or reformed drug addict who in a Dr's eyes just from a glimpse at the recovered addicts past use and that is used as a reason not to treat the patient who is in moderate to severe chronic pain not responding to non narcotic drugs? Should these people be denied treatment? Well they will be as long as people hold views such as the one you are expressing in my experience.

People want to talk mis treatment of minority groups, look no further than the drug addict. There'll be a Black Trans-Gender Governor of Texas before proper funding of programs to help try and improve health outcomes for drug addicts and users ever happens. Australia is perhaps a little better in general due to our free healthcare systems and having that infrastructure in place already but the drug user, ex-drug user or someone who looks like a drug abuser all come last.

You need to be pissed at your Government and it's agencies. The US has an Ex-DEA guy Michael Ruppert I think his name was, caused a huge stir when he turned investigative journalist cos he had the dirt, one a biggest surprises (Non surprises of those of us that have memories) Mishael Ruppert stated was that just when they'd catch a big fish in the drug trade these guys would walk out having the immunity for the fact that many of them turned out to be CIA. Drugs man, great way to prop up Wall Street or feed Black Projects - projects your elected members sign funding for but aren't allowed to know what that money is being used for and who is even using it lol, nah.....the poor ol' drug addict is making shit hard for you BUT it's an effective deflection of a serious health issue.

Salc - I'm trully sorry to hear about your pain issues, I'm somewhat versed in the world of chronic pain, depression, anxiety and all the other bullshit that comes with suffering poorly treated or not even treated pain, no pain management but pain mis-management, falling between the expensive cracks of one specialist to another trying to find out why you're in pain, especially if there was no obvious injury or accident that triggered the painful condition.

If you would like to talk some more about chronic pain please come over to the Pain Management thread, we're a supportive group despite it just being a thread we do have a community feel in my opinion, and it's always good to have new people come and say hello cos it can bring a few of us out of our own depressive cycles due to our pain.

Here's Version 7's current page, have fun and take care.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/793435-The-Pain-Management-Mega-Thread-v-7/page5
 
RealpainreliefT what's up? I'm assuming you haven't been tobthrbdrvyer so you you can get dilaudid. I really do reccomend them. The high only lasts 20-30 sec but it's a doozy if you hit a vein right. Plus it's safest. I take it you have oxys since you mention them. Their dint to but no nearly as good. I'm out of mine now. The price of shooting. Wd sucks. I get my pills Monday so I got one more day. It's been 5 days so I'm ready. First shot is always the best what I chase next 3 weeks. Quite frustrating actually. Monday morning!!!
 
Well, a little bit of an update. I've found that I can survive (by that I mean I don't think about offing myself to make the pain stop) by shooting 1/2 of one of my pills every 2-3 hours. When the needle is not an option, snorting is a distant second. Still haven't tried H thankfully. I ordered a little U47700 because I read several places that it should kill pain and not make the "animal research subjucts" all loopy. When it gets in, I'll let you know how that goes. This brings me to a question. My scales are pretty good, but measuring milligrams in outside of their capability. What is a water soluble cut I can use that is safe that will allow me measure a correct dose and still inject if needed?
 
Oh, one more question. Theoretically, if one were to make up a shot and not be able to do u t right away, provided a new syringe and sterile water was used, how long would said shot be safe to use?
 
I can't answer your first question but I've left mine overnight and it was fine. Just tilt it back and forth and get that bubble to mix it back up. I actually did this the other night and the shot was amazing. No pain that's for sure. If you don't mind me asking, what med are you shooting? I went with iv when oral wasn't killing my pain anymore. I have to do 2 pills of dilaudid. That's what my tolerance dictates. I might get slight pain relief from less but I won't get that warm feeling. Good luck man
 
First off, thanks for any help. Im shooting oxymorphone (generic opana ) IV does a lot better than orally. Orally, it f is NOTHING. I never get that warm euphoric feeling every body talks about. I'm pretry jeleous about that :)
 
Yeah, it's amazing. I can't seem to find it lately. I just did and threw a l little extra in and acceded the vein and nothing. I guess my tolerance is too high or I'm missing vein even though I have backwash. I use big needles so I might be going thru the vein. I've heard good and bad thing about oxymorphones. I was on Opana and they sucked. No pain relief, abuse proof, and they hurt my tummy, prob all the crap in there so you can't abuse. I did manage to split one once but read that doesn't matter. Well, no euphoria but pain relief is good. I know a guy who shoots 2mg 5x day. I wish I could shoot 2mg. I could get away with one pill a day and no running out. I've been running out last 3 months. That's what happens when you're allowed 6 day and do 9-10. Then withdrawal. I'm also on morphine. Not much t that but it's opiates during wd. I tried to shoot that once and it just turned to goo. Have you tried plugging. That may give you same pain relief without needle. Just mix up your amount in an enema and squirt up there. I never tried the dilaudid but did the morphine. It's not bad if you don't Ming sticking something up your bum. You're like fuck that I'm shooting, lol. See now I have a buzz. Something weird is going on. I've tried changing to fresh vein cause my go to vein is getting pretty jacked. Where do you shoot. I go with area above my love handles. A bit strange but I was hitting my legs and liftied my shirt up and there were clusters of plump veins. Like finding treasure. I've used up my left side but right still has some. I hate when I can't find vein. You prob lucky enough you can get your arm. That's the best place but I can't get it. Anyway, sorry to turn this into shooting convo. Wish I could answer yoour other question. I have no idea on that. Good luck man
 
Yeah, it's amazing. I can't seem to find it lately. I just did and threw a l little extra in and acceded the vein and nothing. I guess my tolerance is too high or I'm missing vein even though I have backwash. I use big needles so I might be going thru the vein. I've heard good and bad thing about oxymorphones. I was on Opana and they sucked. No pain relief, abuse proof, and they hurt my tummy, prob all the crap in there so you can't abuse. I did manage to split one once but read that doesn't matter. Well, no euphoria but pain relief is good. I know a guy who shoots 2mg 5x day. I wish I could shoot 2mg. I could get away with one pill a day and no running out. I've been running out last 3 months. That's what happens when you're allowed 6 day and do 9-10. Then withdrawal. I'm also on morphine. Not much t that but it's opiates during wd. I tried to shoot that once and it just turned to goo. Have you tried plugging. That may give you same pain relief without needle. Just mix up your amount in an enema and squirt up there. I never tried the dilaudid but did the morphine. It's not bad if you don't Ming sticking something up your bum. You're like fuck that I'm shooting, lol. See now I have a buzz. Something weird is going on. I've tried changing to fresh vein cause my go to vein is getting pretty jacked. Where do you shoot. I go with area above my love handles. A bit strange but I was hitting my legs and liftied my shirt up and there were clusters of plump veins. Like finding treasure. I've used up my left side but right still has some. I hate when I can't find vein. You prob lucky enough you can get your arm. That's the best place but I can't get it. Anyway, sorry to turn this into shooting convo. Wish I could answer yoour other question. I have no idea on that. Good luck man

Never tred plugging, just seems gross. I'm kinda chunky, so I'm not sure I could find the love handle veins, but I'll look. I've been hitting the legs. They can be kinda hit or miss. I don't get a rush, but that's not what I'm after anyway. Some people have tons me on here that that is super dangerous, but I'm not sure why. I ordered some u47700. When it gets in, I'll do a report on it. Morphine actually worked pretty good for my pain, but it maDE my dick not wanna work right. I can get my arm, but I don't want them all tracked up for several reasons. Work, family, etc. No worries, I dig talking to people. Good luck to you too!
 
Dude! Thanks for the love handle tip. EVent with being a fat guy, it was really easy to hit, flagged easily and, as long as you hold you breath long enough to do the shot, it stayed in easily. That spot is a touch tender tho. Totally work trying tho
 
Ha, I'm glad it worked. I'm tellin ya man that's the spot. Since you're not going on or under love handle it makes it easy.. Better than legs. I used both legs from my upper thigh to my ankle. Pretty soon I had none Efteling. I'll never do my ankle again. I couldn't walk the next day. I've even tried feet. So these sides kick ass. So what is U47700? I'm guessing it's not a narctic since you can order it. What does it do? I'm gonna research it now. I'm intrigued why they say it's dangerous. Dude I can't believe you haven't gotten high off iv. I know that's your motive and that's cool. Maybe it's a drug thing. I always heard oxymorphone was strong as shit. I'm fortunate I have dilaudid.,it's not anymore butt thug when it was it would kill my pain and get me high as a kite but those days are over for awhile. I'm taking 4 orally s day. Dilaudid has terrible oral BA so it's gonna be tough.oh well. You take care man
 
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Hope I'm not interrupting the conversation. I used to play ice hockey until I was 17. Then I got a serious knee injury. To cut down on the long and depressing story: 5 surgeries in 5 years (23 now). I have severe arthritis in my leg. It always hurts, and it's only going to get worse, judging by the past years. Some days I'm walking with a cane. I'm pretty certain I'll be addicted to pain killers later, but I want to start them as much in the future as possible. But the thing is (obviously the people in this thread know) that the best moments in my life are when I'm not thinking about the pain, weather it's a good conversation, or even a good movie. Anyways I just wanted to let this out.
 
That's what this place is for, to let it out. I'm glad you chimed in. 5 surgeries in 5 years. That's tough. You may feel you are addicted to painkillers but I get the feeling from you it's just physical. A couple of months on painkillers will get you hooked physically. In the head is something different. When you can't wait to get up and get that buzz. That's tougher to beat cause it's got the fish hooks in you. I myself am the latter. And my tolerance is so high I can't catch a buzz anymore. You never understand how powerful those things are till you have to go without them. Brutal!!! I've ran out of my dilaudid past 4 months and it sucks but I still have my morphine in me. In Jan I'd had enough and just wanted to smoke weed so off the pills I came and it was fucking he'll. My pain level jumped thru the roof and the withdrawal was horrible. She gave me Suboxone but you have to wait 36 hrs to take that. That first day I couldn't move and it hurt to go to bathroom. I eventually took Suboxone and I've had it before and it helped but not this time. Monster cravings. Finally I called my Dr and she got me in quick which just doesn't happen where I go and put me back on the pills. My pain was the driving force. I couldn't walk. So, after all that, different degrees of being addicted. So what's up with the knee. Is it healing or more surgeries. I hope it's healing for your sake. I wish you the best and take care
 
Ha, I'm glad it worked. I'm tellin ya man that's the spot. Since you're not going on or under love handle it makes it easy.. Better than legs. I used both legs from my upper thigh to my ankle. Pretty soon I had none Efteling. I'll never do my ankle again. I couldn't walk the next day. I've even tried feet. So these sides kick ass. So what is U47700? I'm guessing it's not a narctic since you can order it. What does it do? I'm gonna research it now. I'm intrigued why they say it's dangerous. Dude I can't believe you haven't gotten high off iv. I know that's your motive and that's cool. Maybe it's a drug thing. I always heard oxymorphone was strong as shit. I'm fortunate I have dilaudid.,it's not anymore butt thug when it was it would kill my pain and get me high as a kite but those days are over for awhile. I'm taking 4 orally s day. Dilaudid has terrible oral BA so it's gonna be tough.oh well. You take care man
U47700 is an opiate research chemical. I'm pretty sure it will become illegal, but until then I'll try it. As far as getting high, I'm sure I could get high on the oxymorphone, but I really don't want to. That's why I only do 5mg at a time which is half of one of my pills. Supposedly, oxymorphone is 3-4 times stronger than oxycodone, but the bioavailability is only 10% orally. A friend of mine says he used to have to mainline 90mg of oxycodone to get high, so my guess is I would need 30 to 40mg of the oxymorphone, but I don't even like weed, so I would bet I would be pretty miserable if I did that. I mean, why would I lie on a forum of people who like to get high? What would I have to gain? Anyway, thanks for the advice again. For some reason I can find veins on one side but not the other. Weird, I know. I'll let you know about u47700. When I get it. Should be a few days. Later dude.
 
We're not, lol. Just hit the blue icon with a line thru it in upper right and go to messages. Pretty straightforward. Just gotta enter my name and a title. Yeah WU does have tracking I guess. How's that belly working out for ya. I searched mine earlier for some fresh veins cause I'm not getting the effect I should. I found one but effect was the same. It was hard to get to too. Oh well. Time to increase dosage which sucks cause that's more pill usage. I'm thinking about shooting 1 3x day. It will catch me up on pills but still keep the med in me. Oral dilaudid sucks. BA is like 20%. Snorting isn't much better. I'll figure it out. Yeah I'll message you and you can just reply. Later
 
We're not, lol. Just hit the blue icon with a line thru it in upper right and go to messages. Pretty straightforward. Just gotta enter my name and a title. Yeah WU does have tracking I guess. How's that belly working out for ya. I searched mine earlier for some fresh veins cause I'm not getting the effect I should. I found one but effect was the same. It was hard to get to too. Oh well. Time to increase dosage which sucks cause that's more pill usage. I'm thinking about shooting 1 3x day. It will catch me up on pills but still keep the med in me. Oral dilaudid sucks. BA is like 20%. Snorting isn't much better. I'll figure it out. Yeah I'll message you and you can just reply. Later

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Bluelight user w0w0mg is very knowledgeable U47700 and has much experience with taking it and getting off of it. I recommend you read through his thread and contact him if you have questions.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/788534-Another-detox-attempt-U-47700-and-Tianeptine

Here's the megathread on U47700:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/739960-Novel-opioid-U-47700-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ
 
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