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Christianity working out for anyone else?
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Does the internet speak to more people at once, being more universal and inclusive of both Mormans and Muslims; coming down seemingly from an omniscient cloud; that you just gotta believe is watching you and listening to you. Maybe playing a hand in your fate.... Thing is these ideas hold more weight to me now than some literature-game of telephone from 1AD (that excludes billions of people from heaven for being born non-christian or non-believers who happen to repent their moral failings). Doubting Thomas types excluded for being dubius?
Has anyone wondered (besides myself); maybe the internet is God and we get our eternal life in the way back machine.
To quote an old country song. The Balled of Twenty Dollars by Tom T. Hall
"I remember the day that Clayton Delany Died,
they say he got religion at the end and Im glad that he did"/
problem is the fellow owed me twenty bux
Has anyone wondered (besides myself); maybe the internet is God and we get our eternal life in the way back machine.
To quote an old country song. The Balled of Twenty Dollars by Tom T. Hall
"I remember the day that Clayton Delany Died,
they say he got religion at the end and Im glad that he did"/
problem is the fellow owed me twenty bux
brokedownpalace10
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Well, most of those are quite a reach with verses like, Philippians 1:18 "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice" They're just saying that the good word is good.
A few basically do say to preach the good word, however they do also kind of make my point of preaching for those who express an interest. Especially, " 1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect", where he does specifically say to not be in your face about it.
So, yeah, I'll give you what you said about an obligation to spread the good word when you said
But, I will point out that you said it in direct response to
So the line I picked out from your post was surely true. We do have an obligation to spread the gospel.
But the implication that it's not counterproductive to be too aggressive about it wouldn't be.
Maybe I took it wrong?
We'll say we were both right. We do have that obligation as you said, but maybe we need to be circumspect about it and only do it when an individual shows interest as I said.
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One cannot discount either that there was a group called the inklings its a writers group and both christian apologist c.s. lewis and j.r.r. tolkien both belong to and the similarities between the chronicles of narnia and all of what tolkien writes their both retellings of the same story really. We are the product of our times as we are of ours so were they, the rub is that human rights is dialed back to the dark ages so whatever someone believes and it gets them through and does no harm then so be it. For me I grew up in this it feels comfortable sometimes but I also am well read and so I understand the bible for what it is a very inspired story and I say that because they passed it through oral tradition so its not perfect and also there were a large amount of polytheist groups dominant at the time this story is unfolding, christianity or what it was called then is 'the way' it was a minority religion most of its followers killled or worse for no real reason yet it rises up and is in the top 3 all which are monotheistic faiths so yeah we're just not there yet as humanity stands, so be it also.
I always found the gospels inspiring because of Jesus teaching, other than that only a few bible verses and the book of Psalms really speak to me, but the book of Job I find intriguing also. There are several things about it that are fascinating.
I've read that scholars estimate it was written between 3 and 8 thousand years ago. It was written before Moses existed and Job was not Hebrew. It is believed to have been passed down by word of mouth until it was written down.
What really fascinates me the most is the grasp those in the story appear to have of God, considering the time period. This is a time period when human sacrifice still existed, yet Job and his friends seem to have some grasp of morality and they believe in one omnipotent God. Also it is said to be a literary masterpiece, which amazes me considering when it was written. This makes me curious where this was and exactly what time period.
"Oh that my words were recorded, that they were written on a scroll, that they were inscribed with an iron tool on lead, or engraved in rock forever."
Job 19:23-24
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jasperkent
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Humans spent their first 300,000 years just trying not to die. We've spent the last 3,000 or so years trying to distract ourselves from the fact that we are going to die.
fair enough. there are many translations. i picked one at random.
so which part of telling people they know nothing and mocking them for being stupid is the deep respect part?
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It's not, you are right to point that out.
There are many discrepancies in what Jesus taught and what is being emulated by those claiming to follow him.
I am a Christian and I know it's easy to be drawn into a lot of mistruths. You would think it would be easy to follow a doctrine of love and forgiveness, wouldn't you?
If you are turned off by what some Christians are saying and practicing it's for a reason. You are right to recognize it.
I guess I could say we are human and not infallible? But I think we need to do better than this. ( I'm not directing this at anyone on this thread. I didn't read all the previous comments.)
thanks for the refreshingly simple, honest answer.
i guess what i have learned is that there's more to being a christian than telling yourself - and everybody else - what a great christian you are...
alasdair
i guess what i have learned is that there's more to being a christian than telling yourself - and everybody else - what a great christian you are...
alasdair
Absolutely
I usually make it a rule not to get pulled into discussions about religion but I saw your post and felt I needed to respond.
Don't doubt your insincts, they are good!
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Your point is 100% correct. As is usual, sir. I always enjoy your posts.
There is God, and there is religion. Religion is the bureaucracy set up around God. Bureaucracies kinda suck pretty often and become a thing almost separate from what they were originally intended to serve. Think the United States and the ideals it was founded upon and the political machine (bureaucracy) we have now. Don't lose the God because the bureaucracy sucks.
jasperkent
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Understatement of the year.
I've long marveled at the fact that the most hardcore fundamentalist Christians are also the ones who are the least Christlike. Yet Jesus was harshly critical of hypocrites.
Go figure.
jasperkent
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To be fair, I've also known a handful of Christians who actually practiced what Jesus preached and they were truly wonderful people.
One of them was my last girlfriend-- by far the best romantic relationship I've ever been in. She was loving, compassionate, forgiving, generous, and non-judgmental. And in our 7+ years together she never once tried to "convert' me, though we often discussed spiritual and theological issues. She simply lived by example.
I can't help but think she also would have been a good person if she were Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. As Mark Twain is alleged to have said: "Religion will make a man good-- if he was a good man to begin with."
One of them was my last girlfriend-- by far the best romantic relationship I've ever been in. She was loving, compassionate, forgiving, generous, and non-judgmental. And in our 7+ years together she never once tried to "convert' me, though we often discussed spiritual and theological issues. She simply lived by example.
I can't help but think she also would have been a good person if she were Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. As Mark Twain is alleged to have said: "Religion will make a man good-- if he was a good man to begin with."
Hey slick, this is the internet I ain't within 100 miles of anyone on here's, face.
Besides to quote: John Doe, from the movie SEVEN: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice, you'll have their strict attention.
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The discussion included getting in people's face to proselytize. I don't think anyone accused you directly of it.Hey slick, this is the internet I ain't within 100 miles of anyone on here's, face.
Besides to quote: John Doe, from the movie SEVEN: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice, you'll have their strict attention.
However, if you support hitting people with a sledgehammer to convert them to Christianity then I will have to say that I think that would be counterproductive.
Besides what is the name of this thread? I ain't a hardcore fundamentalist. You can just yap whatever comes from your own imagination. But someday,( I hope you will change your mind), you will realize the error of your ways and have all eternity to ponder it, alone in the black fire that is never quenched.Suffering forever and forgotten and escape and no end to the torment.
Read the Bible, this ain't about being a good person. It is about not spending eternity in The Lake of Fire. Over and over it says works will not get you into heaven. Just like you had no choice to be born; you'll have no choice where you spend eternity, once you die and the end as described in Revelation is becoming nearer. No one knows but God the Father, the exact hour, but I have strayed, but I came back to faith. The Bible is nonsense to those who are perishing. It can be very hard to understand, but not the Gospel.
Most are weak and cowardly. I am not, I don't care what others think. Didn't I make that clear? How many of these meek and weak Christians are to scared to tell their friends about The Lord Jesus Christ. We have an obligation before God. You guys can say whatever you want, but a Christian should shut up. That's is not the vibe or the words of the Apostle Paul. He wrote a lot of The New Testament.
Read the Bible, this ain't about being a good person. It is about not spending eternity in The Lake of Fire. Over and over it says works will not get you into heaven. Just like you had no choice to be born; you'll have no choice where you spend eternity, once you die and the end as described in Revelation is becoming nearer. No one knows but God the Father, the exact hour, but I have strayed, but I came back to faith. The Bible is nonsense to those who are perishing. It can be very hard to understand, but not the Gospel.
Most are weak and cowardly. I am not, I don't care what others think. Didn't I make that clear? How many of these meek and weak Christians are to scared to tell their friends about The Lord Jesus Christ. We have an obligation before God. You guys can say whatever you want, but a Christian should shut up. That's is not the vibe or the words of the Apostle Paul. He wrote a lot of The New Testament.
That was a joke. That is what you were or others were accusing me of basically.
So I remembered a creepy quote from a movie. His character was a Catholic. I am a Christian. Catholics should read a real translation of the Bible. Sola Scriptura. No man made bs. Hell Awaits
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There was an elevator going up through heaven
"First floor, all Catholics off."
"Second floor, Methodists."
Then the elevator operator told everyone to be real quiet as the elevator rose.
"What was that floor?", someone asked.
"Oh, that was the floor for Baptists." the operator said. "They think they're the only ones up here."
"First floor, all Catholics off."
"Second floor, Methodists."
Then the elevator operator told everyone to be real quiet as the elevator rose.
"What was that floor?", someone asked.
"Oh, that was the floor for Baptists." the operator said. "They think they're the only ones up here."
I am non denominational. No the methodists and catholics will be in the basement in the furnace.
The Jews and Muslims are right. Jesus is a prophet of God, a messenger of God - but not God.
How often did Jesus pray TO God? Even at the cross. Jesus knew himself to be an emission, not the Source.
Jesus sits on a donkey in Jerusalem. God is Jesus, is the donkey and is Jerusalem. Big difference.
How often did Jesus pray TO God? Even at the cross. Jesus knew himself to be an emission, not the Source.
Jesus sits on a donkey in Jerusalem. God is Jesus, is the donkey and is Jerusalem. Big difference.