Chicago Heroin v. The return of Chinky

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...Pizza, ...I'm so sorry that happened to you. man. I mean, the abando with a couple of homeboys. :P ...Were they at least fire bags? No, but seriously you said what I wanted to say, just being courteous.
Hope all's well with you and keep strong man.
NSB, I'm still tinkering with my tapering method but it doesn't seem to be sticking. My next idea, is to go completely cold turkey on my two days off, that way when I have to go back to work and use just to function,(my record for going without is 15 hours. Last night[and that felt like hell. Gagging, eyes/nose running, nasty spit in the back of your throat, anxiety, bones cricking and cracking, all that good shit]) I won't need to use as much as now. ...Let you know how that goes.
Later man, hope you're good.
 
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They were fire! That's why I went back everyday, but the dope wasn't on point. Haha of course she won't listen to us. Who the fuck are we. It's not like we have experience with the drug or anything. We are just like a bunch of asshole trying to spoil fun. Yeah itchy if she could experience just one of those 8-12 work days where you are so goddamn sick that you can barely speak let alone function properly in whatever you have to do for a living. And when you are a beginner and not prepared and every other day people ask what's wrong and you say it's some kind of flu. Eventually someone there realizes you are either dopesick or you in the later stages of aids. God it is such a great feeling but fuck will it fuck you day to day up, family plans, travel plans, everything
 
Sup y'all, long time member first time poster in this thread. Been observing for a while now, as I had moved to Florida 3 years ago and wanted to keep track of the market in my favorite city in the world. Anyhow I drove back a few days ago andy plan all along was to stop in the Chi on my way back up north. Thanks to everyone for the clues, I used to have a flame phone connect but the Feds stopped that about 18 months ago. So to the west side I went. Got off 290 at a recommended exit, cruised around for a little bit, had a little troible getting served cus I look like an accountant and I drive a nice car. But eventually I found someone who was cool and grabbed 4 bags. They were yellow and sealed with plastic yellow tape. Smelled ok, but loaded one into the rig and unfortunately they were not that flame. I didn't see many troll but the dope wasnt that good either. Sad panda as now I'm an hour and a half north. Any advice for next time?
 
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LMFAO! Pizza. ...At least something good came out of the experience! LOL! Every word you said is the fucking truth.
Later neighbor.
 
Itchy how is the cold turkey goin? It is the fucking worst brother but as soon as you are done kicking is when it becomes unpredictable. After the week of being horribly sick actually closer to 10 days for me because I was jumping inbetween subs and dope for about 2 years, I felt high on life. I was like I got this shit! But then I hit the wall and the post depression kicked in. It is like a family member or best friend fucking died, I missed it so much. This doesn't happen to everybody but it is very common. At that point of enlightenment you have to get your ass to the gym, or start running, playing chess, fucking whatever to stay busy at all cost. Throw that phone against the wall and try to get any combo of numbers in your head out that are remotely close to the dope mans. Or if you are doing it to cleanse and lower tolerance then just be super careful, one bag can drop your ass. God I miss it, I wish I was allowed one bag a week, and take a day off a week and stretch that bag all day, give myself something to look forward to. Maybe, I'll see, one year in (with 1 fuck up 6 month ago) and I'm still feeling this desperate and shitty. Hey mori still sound fun and anxiety free? I'm a grown ass man and I still haven't kicked shit in my eyes. I'm still so weak to this drug. Sucks, we will all do our best
 
Chinky what did they give you when you were locked up to kick? Or was it just the nightmare I could only imagine? Weed is the only thing that truely helped me, but I know that wasn't an option for you. Thanks ahead of time man
 
Itchy what did u mean by longest was 15 hours? To that point what was anyone's earliest amount of time taking suboxone? And if anyone had precipitated withdrawals how did u make them go away??? And hope to get some xanex to take these subs. Just like u all been saying I mean subs work but it's just such a demon and once I start to get suck it's like I can't take it. Like why did addiction and struggle happen to me? Yes I have a good life but a horrible 24/7 365 mental battle!!!
 
Fantom, I would usually take the sub the next morning after using. I would nod off at 10 PM and take a half sub (4 mg) at about 7 am under my tongue and set the alarm for 7:20 give or take a half hour or so. I never got the pwd. I did have it where It wouldn't work until hours later but that was just me. Some people have told me that they would get pwds even after 18 hours so there is no solid answer. I used to always ask people that same question when I first got subs and they would answer "when you need it". Great advice haha. I say the longer you can handle the pain the better and start low and be patient. It is a miracle drug and can also be a just a crutch. No need to suffer more though, just hold on as long as you can and take 2 mg and if no bad effects add 2 mg till you feel normal, hang in there brother.
 
I think recently nsb has had the pwd experience. I have heard it is fucking brutal, lasts a few hours until the sub can take over the opiate receptors. Also the mods could answer that question a lot better than a lot of us. Keep pushing
 
Nah, it was a little while ago, now that I think about it - once was about a year ago, and once was like, September sometime. (This shit also does wonders for your memory and your sense of time, Mori, like Pizza was saying, I'm a grown ass man (lol) 45 yrs old, and couple months just went by and I can't figure out what happened when...yeah it's a great time...)

Back to the precipitated withdrawal question - last time, Sept, I was using for about a week straight, lightweight, like maybe a jab and a half, and did my last bag Sunday before noon, went out with the family and came home around 6 -7pm feeling the jones kicking in already. So maybe about 8pm I took 4mg, and promptly started to get so dopesick just when I had to start putting my kids to bed...I didn't know what the fuck to do but man up and walk thru it. So that was about 8 hours from dope to sub. Just got in bed as soon as possible (my wife and I sleep in separate rooms now, that's another added benefit of this "lifestyle") and maybe around midnight ? whenever I woke up in the middle of the night, I just took another 4mg hoping it would help. probably took another 4mg when i got up to get ready for work.

And come to think of it - the last time I kicked bad was another Sunday (I always think I'll just taper it off before I go back to work...lol) and this time there was no PWD. The schedule was a little different though - last bag on Saturday night around 10-11pm, after using 35-40 bags from Tues - Sat. Woke up around 7:30 - 8am Sunday, so that's 9 hrs approx, and I was already a sweaty, dry-heaving mess. I couldn't throw up, but I did start shitting like no tomorrow....Realized right there I had to cancel my plans and just fake whatever I could...I think I took 4mg around 9am (so that's almost 11 hrs, maybe) and started to get some relief, took another 4 soon after and another 4 before noon - seems like 12mg did me right both times. I did actually get up and out of the house to meet an obligation that I had already made previously (a fucking small moving job for an in-law - that was hell) and then went back home and laid down in front of the TV again. I was a cold, shaking, chilled, sweaty mess all day long - but not throwing up or shitting myself, which is a real bonus in my book, I don't know how anyone else looks at it - so, i definitely was sick all day, and went to work the next day, but still felt it, only had soup for lunch on Monday, first food since Saturday, but the sub sure helped, I have to admit that.

I do hate being physically dependent on the sub tho, don't kid yourself, if you use them regularly, you are just as dependent as on any opiate. It's just a synthetic opiate. I've been on over a year now, and really want to taper, but keep fucking up when I get below 4mg - so I made some small peace with it, since I'm not copping and spending stacks on bags, I gotta live with the fact that I have to use this as a crutch right now. If i start to drop, I start with the running nose and the chills, can't ever get warm, achy flu feeling almost right away. It only takes a few days. And then I've picked up. Haven't been able to fight thru that. Maybe the drop is too fast for my system, I don't know. i do know there's a whole forum on subs (not BL, a separate one) and people talk about dropping .075 and real small amounts, and tapering down over the course of a year. Maybe that's just what I have to do. I've been through CT kicks and thought that qualified me to get off the sub easier, but it seems to be a whole nother animal. Like I said, at least in my case. Everyone's metabolism is different. And like some of you, at 45, I've got years behind me of running and gunning. Not solid 15-20 yrs, but some good long runs in there, whatever the DOC at the time.

enough of my rambling BS. somebody else talk.
 
I'm only adding this because it's useful, pertinent information...

itchy - if you can do 15 hrs, I'd say you're a really good candidate for sub at that point. but everyone's different.

fantom - i think, and this is based on my shitty memory, that the earliest was probably 6-8 hrs or close to it, like Pizza was sorta saying - got high at night, and took sub in the morning. I have had many times where I just switched back to sub with no problem, no dope WD feeling and no issue with the sub. Seamless transition. And then one comes along and fucks you up like nothing you expected...that's the beauty of PWD.

I also can report that even on 12mg (and whatever amount of naloxone is in there, what, like 4 or something close with that dose) I have never had any issue getting high off dope. I've taken my sub in the morning, grabbed on the way into work, and got high literally 2-3 hrs after taking the sub that day. With no break in the sub in the days prior. Again, some people report that it does work like it's supposed to, and blocks the receptors thus blocks the high, but either my brain is wired differently (pretty sure of that at this point) or...something, cause never once felt it had any blocking effect. I sorta wish it did, because it would've at least given me further pause at those times.
 
Hey nsb is methadone out of the question for you? Or just staying above 4 mg with the subs? In your position and as long as you've been going hard than why not? Whatever keeps you at bay or your use down to a minimum. And my body is the same way with the subs. I would take 2-4 mg in the morning and have my overpriced but live saving delivery service drop off for me at noon and it was still blast off no problem. Didn't notice a difference.
 
Hey Pizza. Cold turkey? ...Went horrible man! So did tapering off. I'm onto Plan X. I bought a bunch of OTC stuff after doing some research. I found something that's called "The Thomas recipe" and it's just vitamins, minerals, immodium... So today is the first day I'm going to try to go cold turkey. It doesn't help the fact that I have a jab left. But I gave that to my g/f and told her not to give me any unless, I'm having a really hard time. I know you guys think it's stupid but I just don't want to get super sick. Yeah, I'm scared.
I'll let you know how plan"X" is going. If this fails I still have plan "Y" and "z"'
Keep pushing brother. That's what I plan on doing.
Oh and Fantom, I don't think I would be a good candidate for subs. Mainly because I don't really know how to use them. And I read in this thread, a while back that they are rather pricey. And I don't have health insurance through my job yet.
I know my life wasn't all that fucking grand but I want to at least be able to live it without having every minute of it consumed by this shit.
Later folks. Take care of yourselves.
 
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Itchy subs are almost as easy to get off the street as dub. There are a couple bus stops and I think McDonald's that are famous for people who get their government provided scripts and sell me to get money for dope. You can usually get 8 mg strips for the same as half a sawbuck. If you are dope sick and you let it melt under your tongue you will feel normal in usually 15 min. They latch onto you opiate receptors and blocks dope so you can't get high after taking it for some time. If you take it if you are high you will have the worst fucking withdrawals imaginable (so I hear). Methadone is a totally different.
 
I have been on subs since the spring of 2011. Always juggled dope with them and was always able to get high...even if I took my meds a couple hours before I got dope in my system. I know some people say that they don't feel the dope after taking subs but it is just a case by case basis. Everyone reacts different to medications in general. I have known a few people that get deathly ill from subs even if they haven't had dope in their system. I have only been sick from subs one time. I was really dope sick about this time last year and wanted instant relief so I got the idea to shoot 4mg. I had dabbled in shooting it before but never with dope in my system. In that case I never felt sick from shooting it what so ever. But the one occasion that I shot subs while having dope in my system made me sicker than I had ever been in my life. As soon as I shot it I got this sensation of what can only be explained like ice cold water flowing through my veins. And probably 20 seconds after the shot I threw up this nasty baseball sized glob of stomach acid. Didn't even make it to the toilet. I then managed to crawl to the couch while having the most intense cold sweat I had ever experienced. Once I was on the couch I passed out. I woke up like 3 hours later and felt completely normal. So for those of you who have ever thought about shooting suboxone, I don't recommend it. But if you must, make sure you haven't been doing dope recently. But like I said, when I shot the shit while not having any dope in my system I actually got somewhat of a rush off of it. You have to use a lot of water though. It tends to gel up on you. And I only shot the tablets. Never tried it with the films. I figure it's about impossible to water them shits down. But fuck shooting that shit anyways. Highly not recommended but I was just curious if it was even possible. I guess that's why I tried it in the first place
 
So i ended up grabbing some bags. relative of mine got a jab from out phone connect and gave me 4 bags. needless to say, i was floating lol...the bags had green marijuana symbols and they were fucking fire. i had more money but i decided not to cop again. stayed home and took the sickness head on. feeling a little under the weather today but nothing i can't handle. i might just take a little break and work on my music production for a while. i love dope but i respect how quickly it gets out of control especially for us people with addictive personalities. i try to think in the long-term where youve done so much, that youre receptors are burnt out and cant work under normal circumstances as effectively. "once youve tasted excess, everything else tastes bland." I got me some steak burritos w/ green sauce and some weed instead of copping bags today and i dont regret it. My habit isnt as bad as some of you fellas and i plan on fighting it as much as i can.....because i could end up where some of you guys have been real fucking quick. dope can't be contained and it is a deceitful little temptress.
 
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