Nah, it was a little while ago, now that I think about it - once was about a year ago, and once was like, September sometime. (This shit also does wonders for your memory and your sense of time, Mori, like Pizza was saying, I'm a grown ass man (lol) 45 yrs old, and couple months just went by and I can't figure out what happened when...yeah it's a great time...)
Back to the precipitated withdrawal question - last time, Sept, I was using for about a week straight, lightweight, like maybe a jab and a half, and did my last bag Sunday before noon, went out with the family and came home around 6 -7pm feeling the jones kicking in already. So maybe about 8pm I took 4mg, and promptly started to get so dopesick just when I had to start putting my kids to bed...I didn't know what the fuck to do but man up and walk thru it. So that was about 8 hours from dope to sub. Just got in bed as soon as possible (my wife and I sleep in separate rooms now, that's another added benefit of this "lifestyle") and maybe around midnight ? whenever I woke up in the middle of the night, I just took another 4mg hoping it would help. probably took another 4mg when i got up to get ready for work.
And come to think of it - the last time I kicked bad was another Sunday (I always think I'll just taper it off before I go back to work...lol) and this time there was no PWD. The schedule was a little different though - last bag on Saturday night around 10-11pm, after using 35-40 bags from Tues - Sat. Woke up around 7:30 - 8am Sunday, so that's 9 hrs approx, and I was already a sweaty, dry-heaving mess. I couldn't throw up, but I did start shitting like no tomorrow....Realized right there I had to cancel my plans and just fake whatever I could...I think I took 4mg around 9am (so that's almost 11 hrs, maybe) and started to get some relief, took another 4 soon after and another 4 before noon - seems like 12mg did me right both times. I did actually get up and out of the house to meet an obligation that I had already made previously (a fucking small moving job for an in-law - that was hell) and then went back home and laid down in front of the TV again. I was a cold, shaking, chilled, sweaty mess all day long - but not throwing up or shitting myself, which is a real bonus in my book, I don't know how anyone else looks at it - so, i definitely was sick all day, and went to work the next day, but still felt it, only had soup for lunch on Monday, first food since Saturday, but the sub sure helped, I have to admit that.
I do hate being physically dependent on the sub tho, don't kid yourself, if you use them regularly, you are just as dependent as on any opiate. It's just a synthetic opiate. I've been on over a year now, and really want to taper, but keep fucking up when I get below 4mg - so I made some small peace with it, since I'm not copping and spending stacks on bags, I gotta live with the fact that I have to use this as a crutch right now. If i start to drop, I start with the running nose and the chills, can't ever get warm, achy flu feeling almost right away. It only takes a few days. And then I've picked up. Haven't been able to fight thru that. Maybe the drop is too fast for my system, I don't know. i do know there's a whole forum on subs (not BL, a separate one) and people talk about dropping .075 and real small amounts, and tapering down over the course of a year. Maybe that's just what I have to do. I've been through CT kicks and thought that qualified me to get off the sub easier, but it seems to be a whole nother animal. Like I said, at least in my case. Everyone's metabolism is different. And like some of you, at 45, I've got years behind me of running and gunning. Not solid 15-20 yrs, but some good long runs in there, whatever the DOC at the time.
enough of my rambling BS. somebody else talk.