Chicago Heroin v Fuck Dormin

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yah same for me, if i dont have a source i wont go looking but one day some asshole introduced me to the westside open from 430am to 1030pm every day 24x7x365 :( i need to get out of this city.

Always the first couple of weeks are awesome but when it gets to the point where your only using so u can get up and function thats such a stressful feeling and the anxiety when you know your about out and your not sure if your going to be able to score in time.

I really had a huge collection of pharms i got prescribed months ago from a doc , covered everything, the right combo almost made stopping easy (outside the mental). But my girl just flipped out one day saying im replacing one with another and while i was in full blown w/d just dumped 20-25 bottles of pharms down the toilet.

on a 10-12 bag a day habit how bad do you guys think the first day with sub will be?
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That's a huge habit. You def. need to wait until you're in mild to moderate w/d. With that habit I would say that you should wait min. 24 hours from last use. For people who use subs for long time and go back and forth a million times the subs aren't nearly as effective as when I was sub naive. Now it takes a min two days before I can get out of bed. The subs help but not really until it's been at least 4, 5 days do I feel like a person. When I was sub naive it worked like a miracle I even remember feeling high the first time but after five years or for people with big habits you need to be careful about you're conversions because precipitated WD is real and no joke and it fucking sucks.
 
one day at a time man, one dya at a time. its so cliche to say and hear, but you make it through this day, you have the next day to look forward to, thats something.
 
on a 10-12 bag a day habit how bad do you guys think the first day with sub will be?
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depends. how much sub are you going to take? I would say take a minimum of 16mgs.
Also it probably will depend on how much of a fiend you are.
 
^ 10-12 bags, so thats like 1-1.2 grams?

personally i dont think any one should really go over 8, this is just my opinion of course i know many people get presscribed much more then 8mg/day, i was, but i never took more then 6mg

to each thier own and others know thier body best n get to make thier own decisiions and whatever helps but IMO if someone is tryin to use subs to get clean then they should use as little as possible and deal with some of the WD symptoms, i know Dr.s that say that is counter productive and that even if its a high ass dose as long as they arent using then the suboxone treatment is working but IMO opinion if you fuck around with dope long enough you're gonna have to pay the pied piper eventually, there is no magic fix, there is no easy way out, different strokes for different folks but the piper will collect, he always does, taking high doses of subs only prolongs the innevitable no matter how slow you taper

again, this is just my opinion but ill throw it out there for whatever its worth to yall
 
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That's a huge habit. You def. need to wait until you're in mild to moderate w/d. With that habit I would say that you should wait min. 24 hours from last use. For people who use subs for long time and go back and forth a million times the subs aren't nearly as effective as when I was sub naive. Now it takes a min two days before I can get out of bed. The subs help but not really until it's been at least 4, 5 days do I feel like a person. When I was sub naive it worked like a miracle I even remember feeling high the first time but after five years or for people with big habits you need to be careful about you're conversions because precipitated WD is real and no joke and it fucking sucks.
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mild to moderate , what is your definition of that? Runny nose, sneezing, shits, cold sweats , dry mouth, stomach cramping , vomittin? when im at stomach and vomitting im full blown, and i wont be able to take a sub, it instantly will make me projectile puke. i dknt know what to do, supposed to be moving on saturday, wont have anything unpacked wont have any place to get away to use, i cant get to sick cause i have to help move , and if i get to sick my girl will probably kick me out cause ugh so much drama.

Maybe i can try to ween down :(
 
lbcfourthstreet said:
That's a huge habit. You def. need to wait until you're in mild to moderate w/d. With that habit I would say that you should wait min. 24 hours from last use. For people who use subs for long time and go back and forth a million times the subs aren't nearly as effective as when I was sub naive. Now it takes a min two days before I can get out of bed. The subs help but not really until it's been at least 4, 5 days do I feel like a person. When I was sub naive it worked like a miracle I even remember feeling high the first time but after five years or for people with big habits you need to be careful about you're conversions because precipitated WD is real and no joke and it fucking sucks.
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how long does pwd last??
 
HighonLife said:
^ 10-12 bags, so thats like 1-1.2 grams?

personally i dont think any one should really go over 8, this is just my opinion of course i know many people get presscribed much more then 8mg/day, i was, but i never took more then 6mg

to each thier own and others know thier body best n get to make thier own decisiions and whatever helps but IMO if someone is tryin to use subs to get clean then they should use as little as possible and deal with some of the WD symptoms, i know Dr.s that say that is counter productive and that even if its a high ass dose as long as they arent using then the suboxone treatment is working but IMO opinion if you fuck around with dope long enough you're gonna have to pay the pied piper eventually, there is no magic fix, there is no easy way out, different strokes for different folks but the piper will collect, he always does, taking high doses of subs only prolongs the innevitable no matter how slow you taper

again, this is just my opinion but ill throw it out there for whatever its worth to yall
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The flipside to your opinion is that taking a high dose of subs will help the person deal with getting off of dope easier.
IMO i rather have a high dose so i dont feel any WDs which in turn may tempt me to getting dope
 
personally i dont think any one should really go over 8, this is just my opinion of course i know many people get presscribed much more then 8mg/day, i was, but i never took more then 6mg
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yeah but if you take higher doses, it saturates into the body and when you maintain that level, dope doesnt even matter you just have to keep sucking on those pills. even if you say fuck it im gonna snort a bag, its blocked. but if your pussy footing around at like 2mgs you probably will get high. take higher doses, saturate the body and when you maintain that level, dope doesnt even matter.

saturate it.

almost 3 years clean here@#!!#@!lmost 3 years clean here@#!!#@!
 
^ Well done, friend
Is this your longest stretch of clean time since you started using way back when or have you had longer periods of sobriety before?

Also wish you would write some more entries in your seedless wordpress blog if possible, some trip reports/stories from a few old dead shows or some old Chicago or NY stories would be awesome to hear, I always enjoyed reading your stuff
 
Yeah the piper will collect but you can certainly delay that and at least live a semi normal life aside from the fact you're a buprenorphine addict. For me I want to get off bups but I'm blue collar/borderline poor. I don't have insurance, I don't have a job that would send me to rehab. I don't get vacation time. So when do I find the time I would truly need to detox off bups. It's been over five years of heavy bup and heroin use. Even if I ween down you still need 5-7 days at least of being sick after you jump off. I'd rather just be comfortable and stay on bup maintenance for now.
 
Hi everyone, swim was hoping for some advice. SWIM recently picked up some off brand heroin on the west side and finds that when swim cooks it, it looks fine, but when the shot cools down in the syringe it becomes a milky white color filled with particulates. SWIM is using cotton as always to filter swims shot. Has SWIY experienced this, and is there way to get a clean shot out of this stuff? BTW when SWIM sniffs this stuff he finds it to be of okay quality. Swim would appreciate any advice regarding this phenomenon. Thanks.
 
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Sounds like the people cutting it are clueless as to what to use....Sometimes, even with a nasty cut, the H still ends up being pretty damn good...Maybe use a micron filter...or use regular cottons....Draw it up once, squirt it out and filter it again with a new cotton and a new syringe...

Also, "SWIM" is annoying, I don't think the feds care about your dope habit...
 
Thanks for the advice Blue, I'll give it a shot. I agree swim is annoying, just trying not to ruffle any moderator feathers. Thanks again man.
 
Actually we'd prefer you not use swim either. Matter of fact it's against bluelight policy to refer to yourself as swim. Maybe there are some sites that prefer you use it but, we require you not to.
 
oxie said:
The flipside to your opinion is that taking a high dose of subs will help the person deal with getting off of dope easier.
IMO i rather have a high dose so i dont feel any WDs which in turn may tempt me to getting dope
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i dont think you need to take high doses for it to work...but i het what yallk are saying cause i take my biggest dose first and then i halff that dose to maintain everytime i need to redose

like il take 6mgs to start and then 3mg every dose after..and thats justcause it has such a long half life


*team nod assemble*
 
Reportin in for team nod... Got some of the most fire dope I've had in a few years.. Caught me so off guard, I threw up after doin 2 blows... Shit has me noddddddin alllll damn day off s little.

Who all is joinin the team with me and chinky tonight? Lets do ittttt
 
lol i made that post friday night, its just been dead around here laitly but im, getting high right now too

after that embarrassing bears game, whatelse am i gonna do?
 
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