I just watched that oxy express vanguard doc that was mentioned earlier. Pretty interesting stuff. I'm actually supposed to be getting oxy's today that are being sent from Florida to a friend of mine. I plan on IVing it. I don't know how many mg's they will be but I was wondering what would be a good amount for a first timer? I typically just use H and have a pretty high tolerance. I do substitute subutex quite a bit to save on money and obviously avoid WD. I shoot the subutex too. I think maybe you cant shoot suboxone? and maybe thats the difference between them? I'm not sure but i love subutex. I haven't experienced any WD since I discovered them. And because i shoot them, they do give me a bit of a high and they last longer. I can split one pill into 3 or 4 different doses.