Changa (DMT with a MAOI) and AMT - safe combo, or recipe for disaster?

[mongchops]

Greetings all!

I have quite a bit of nice Changa (apparently 50% DMT infused into a MAOI-contianing herbs; it packs a punch when smoked on its own through a pipe, it's good stuff).

My questions are: would it be safe to take some AMT (alpha-mephyltryptamine) or 5-MeO-DALT and then smoke changa during the resulting trip?

I believe that AMT has some MAOI properties (confirmation needed?) so in theory it seems like it would be fine, but I'm not a chemist and my knowledge of these things mostly come from reading and asking on Bluelight (as you guys generally know what you're talking about, more so than me). I just want to stay safe, and I won't be doing the combo unless I'm entirely convinced that it's a good (or at least not terrible) idea.

I'm not sure about 5-MeO-DALT but would love some opinions.

I won't be taking anything that releases serotonin (just one of the above + Changa, and maybe some K if I can score a litle bit) so my lay theory is that the MAOIs won't be blocking the re-absorption of serotonin (and possibly causing causing serotonin syndrome, which is usually the main reason to be wary of taking MAOIs with drugs that release serotonin).

I guess I want to know if taking AMT or 5-MeO-DALT along wiht Changa will cause problems, or if there are any other non-MAOI consideration that I haven't taken into consideration. I've Googled but haven't found anything useful about this relatively obscure combination.

Please help me out, my much more knowledgeable internet friends!

Thank you in advance.

 

[Morpheus19]

I won't be taking anything that releases serotonin (just one of the above + Changa, and maybe some K if I can score a litle bit)

AMT releases a shit load of serotonin. I hope this answers your question. I'm not so sure about 5-meo-dalt, it's a rather obscure molecule which might have some serotonin action involved, so I wouldn't risk it.

 

[plusfourpirate]

dude, i really dont reccomend. I guess some have a love for AMT depite the fragility and exhaustion it brings.

besides is AMT is 'partial maoi or somn? id swer the combo is a no no..but goofballs have lived to tell of it.

if your changa was made right, it should be perfect ohm its own. we(friends and i) call it high def deems.

bc it allows you to zoom in with incredible detail and clarity that dmt alone only provides patterns in conteast.

wanna get ballsy and see some shit break through? roll a 1-2 g joint of it and share w ~3 ppl.

ohno! :0

 

[kidklmx]

To add to Morpheus' point, all 5-Meo's seem to have SSRI action, however slight that may be, I just wouldn't risk it. "Hypertensive crisis" does not sound like a fun time IMO

plusfourpirate, AFAIK all tryptamines are MAOIs in some way so that wouldn't really be the problem

 

[babylonboy]

I personally don't think that the MAOIs in changa are actually effective, it seems to me unlikely that a significant dose is delivered with an inhalation. That said, if they are in fact effective, then AMT should absolutely not be consumed. AMT is a monoamine releaser, combination with an MAOI is very dangerous, and puts you at risk of serotonin syndrome. My advice would be to source some DMT, and either smoke it in its unadulterated form or combine it with some herbs that are pharmacologically inactive and act as an inert carrier (my preferred method of using DMT). Personally, I would choose to leave the K until after the DMT, dissociatives and DMT have never given me a desirable synergy, DMT + MDMA/AMT etc. alone is a preferable mix, but YMMV. Happy travelling!

 

[plusfourpirate]

plusfourpirate, AFAIK all tryptamines are MAOIs in some way so that wouldn't really be the problem

Yeah you're right on that bro, my bad.
My big issue w amt and why I think it's a bad one to mix due to some possible toxic interaction is I watched 3 of my close friends who ate MDMA,L,and Amt to try it out; i think 50mg each over 2 doses..couple hours later, they were vomiting, sweating,miserable, panicking the whole time. The one who acquired the amt was convinced he was having a toxic reaction, went to the ER and had severe dehydration, high fever, and waves of anxiety that stuck w him a while. this was not a rookie, but rather an elder of mine. I'd seen him take such heroic doses of L and even brew aya and hold ceremonies at his crib.
I had another group of friends who got really sick on it mixing it w 2c's as well.
Now .
Doesn't it fit the profile of an anti depressant as a ssri or snri also,or am I mistaken? Idk. I know AET was them shortly removed off the market...

There's so much out there,esp choice tryps...this one always made me nervous. Eat some 4 subs or any of the other dim ethyl/methyl analogues. To each his own tho. Just lookin out

Oh and also my girl and I ate all but the aMT, in larger doses, and were fine..
Idk just seems strange.

@banylonboy:Man based on tons of experience w changa, several diff blends w diff maoi and other plant combos, calea,passion flower, and the dream herb being the most popular- I'm quite certain the maoi has an effect. Take some Syrian rue seeds and ground them up and mix a small am t in w your dmt and tell me it's not More intense in color and duration...

 

[kidklmx]

You're right, aMT seems to be a reuptake inhibitor of the three monamines. I don't really know, but I think it's the same for MDMA, that due to the transporter releasing monamines, it doesn't take them in which you could classify as an SNDRI. Don't think the combo with MDMA is really at fault here.

So maybe it was too high a dose of aMT? From what I've read nausea is pretty common to aMT, maybe that effect is increased by other psychedelics?

AET was only made illegal in '93 btw, which I can tell was only due to it's similarity to MDMA

P.s not a mod so it's not really my duty, but you know there's an edit button right? :D

OT so not really worthy a new post: Yeah the mobile version of the site really sucks, not sure how big the screen on your phone is but I found the desktop version to be working much better when on a phone. You could try that?

 

[plusfourpirate]

My b dude..my puters down and trying to type all this on a phone is a pain.
Prob fixed

 

[mongchops]

The TL;DR is to not mix (not worth the risk). I'll pick one of the three and be content with that.

Thanks for the reasoned advice It is what I needed.

 

[Solipsis]

Smart move.

Always be careful with stuff like this please, it's not worth risking it all for...

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