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15 mg Remeron (Mirtazapine)...has to be prescribed, but man does it work. Without health ins that discounts Rx's, you're looking at a decent amount. With health ins, a much less decent amount.
I also take 2 mgs of Klonopin (clonazepam) daily...but I'll take 2 of the 1 mg pills in the evenings to relax.
 
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squidhead said:
15 mg Remeron (Mirtazapine)...has to be prescribed, but man does it work. Without health ins that discounts Rx's, you're looking at a decent amount. With health ins, a much less decent amount.
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My amazing internet skills tell me mirtazapine is prescribed to treat depression... Do doctors also prescribe it as a sleep aid?

Thanks for the advice, guys, but I was moreso looking for ways to trick your body into sleeping that didn't use any kind of medication. Daily use of 2-3 times the recommended max dose of diphenhydramine for 3 and a half years has left me not wanting to rely on pills or drugs to get to sleep anymore. I'm gonna try exercise overload while I'm job hunting, but it's never worked well for me in the past. For some reason my body gets tired but my mind always feels like it's all amped up no matter how many miles I run, weights I lift or bodyweight exercises I do.


...Maybe I just need to enroll myself in an advanced science or math class to try and slow down my thought processes at the end of the day?
 
Jibult said:
My amazing internet skills tell me mirtazapine is prescribed to treat depression... Do doctors also prescribe it as a sleep aid?
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That is correct...& yeah, it's for clinical depression at 30 mgs+. 15 mgs is for sleep. Works great, as I've tried Ambien & used diphenhydramine for yrs...which is the least $$$.
 
You are now dependant on anticholingergenics, like DPH, to get to bed, and DPH has half the half-life of the longer acting, smoother, less-side-effect ridden Doxylamine Succinate. You can buy it for very cheaply and it makes you extremely exhausted, much moreso than DPH, but also doesn't give you that bad of a hangover, which is strange because its half-life is considerably longer.

I would at least use Doxylamine as a tapering tool off of 2-4 times the recommended dosage for DPH for over a whole year. You won't have mental w/d's, but you won't be able to sleep for a few days. Doxylamine is the sedating ingredient in NyQuil, which is why some people drink NyQuil, they are ingesting doxylamine in that syrup, at 6.25mg per 5mg tsp.

At least pick up some chelated magnesium and melatonin, and try exercising and a healthy diet.
 
I had no problem stopping Diphenhydramine...& I didn't start the Mirtazapine until yrs later. I just started going to bed with something to read...that puts me out quickly.:|
 
ye Jib I feel ya on the work out thing -- I typically work out 2 hours a day, and I basically am getting a full body workout at work everyday, too. I come home absolutely exhausted and sore, mow down a meal, and crawl into bed... then stay awake for 6 hours browsing reddit or watching a movie. Can't fall asleep for shit without ambien, most days.

I find the best way to fall asleep is to get rid of every distraction possible, and to avoid media/music/books etc while in bed. Diphen has worked for me too, provides some mild sedation -- but I found melatonin and valarian root tea has worked just as well. I'm sure this is all shit you've heard before
 
The tricyclic antidepressants like amitryptyline and nortryptyline are prescribed off-label for sleep and so is trazodone if you're in a spot where nothing else works. I find trazodone works the best over everything beside blackout doses of sedating benzos like valium, triazolam, nitrazepam and it's substituted cousins, etc... The best OTC med is doxylamine, I have to agree. I don't think the United States has it, but there is a preparation called Mersyndol that has 325mg acetaminophen/8mg codeine/5mg doxylamine, but I usually do a CWE and take like 15 at a hitch if I run out of pain meds, and it helps me get to sleep nicely. Beside helping you sleep it also acts as an anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) medication, which is perfect when trying to unwind for sleep whether you have anxiety or not.
 
Today was a long but good good day in the end.

I ended up with some bubu kush, looks so amazing, and a new piece to smoke it from. And yes i did take this pic.

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Ah see I cannot do that - I used to read Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time but I would stay up late reading thinking, "just a few more pages!" and then "almost done the chapter, gotta finish it!" Now I'm on A Dances with Dragons by George R.R. Martin, I certainly cannot take that into bed with me - I'd never sleep. Sometimes I'll listen to audiobooks, but that keeps me up too.
 
Nice pipe, Neko. I miss my "brain tumors" pipe, I had to leave it in Vegas. :p

Sometimes something as simple as a Magnesium deficiency or Melatonin deficiency (especially common if you stare at computer screens for hours, as melatonin is produced in the absence of light) can make sleeping really difficult, which is why I recommend trying Mg, K, and Melatonin before resorting to antidepressants or GABAergics, imo.

Rozerem looks interesting, btw, but I see no benefit over taking regular Melatonin instead of using a melatonin agonist.

Chainer, do you use Ambien every night to go to bed? It still remains effective? 20mg is a lot though, lol
 
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Hell yeah, nothing better than good hash, is there? What's PR, man?
I wonder if that's the original pheno of OG kush. Have you heard about the OG Kush dilemma. I heard it wasn't actually a strain, but OG kush was just a particular pheno of Hindu Kush, so the only way you could actually get it was the cloned version of that particular Hindu. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but it said it was grown in southern cali, but then they tried to stabalize the genetics with another pheno that was close so they could finally get out to the masses in seed form. Do you know if that's true or not?

Do you ever get your stuff from the dispensaries? It looks so good, but it's so fucking expensive. Here you pay the same amount for 10 grams as what you would an eigth oz at a dispensary in your area. If I grab an eigth I actually pay a little less than half of what the dispensary prices I've seen are (for high quality).

P.S I know it's for good reasons, but we miss your frequent posting in OD, man. By the way how are things going with suboxone, did you end up tapering off of it, or are you still stabilized? I know that you were really smart with it and used to lowest amount of anyone I have heard of.

Feels good to post here in CD again, it's been a while. I recently just kinda picked up smoking again...for a while there I just wasn't into it. Man, after you haven't smoked in a while, that first experience back is intense, it really brings out the psychedelic aspects of cannabis. Did you find that when you started smoking more again?
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PR = private reserve

I only get cannabis from dispensaries.

I am tapering off of Suboxone still.
 
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Chainer, do you use Ambien every night to go to bed? It still remains effective? 20mg is a lot though, lol
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Nah, I am scripted 10mgs nightly, but I end up using it maybe 3 times a week. Sometimes not even. Usually I'll split them in half so I get 5mg IR when I do take them. I tend to not use them Friday through the weekend, until monday night.

Surprisingly, they remain perfectly effective. 20mg is a dose I'd take over the course of 2 hours, and pre-planning to stay up to get that trippy feeling goodness, not a normal dosage at all.

When I was taking the full 10mg every night, I stopped getting high from them whatsoever, but still got plenty tired.

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I am tapering off of Suboxone still.
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I hope that goes well for you mayne. I did such an aggressive taper, I certainly still had massive, massive W/Ds. I was up to, from what I remember, 300mg oxymorphone intranasally per day, and a bit of benzos each day on top (if oxycodone, around 600-700mg daily). I acquired myself 3 N8s, I ended up using just 2 of the N8s over the course of 3 weeks. I didn't start to use them until 3 days into W/Ds, though, which helped me get off them much faster. I sorta used them more as a transition medication into sobriety more then anything. Took some serious commitment and mental prep before I force myself to that.
 
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Do you ever laugh at people who don't use?

There wasn't a good way to make a short title for this, so let me clarify. My friends used to always call everyone that didn't smoke bud a pussy but it would be jocular, not serious. But I was wondering if most people just say something like "oh that's cool, some people don't like it" or if they do what he did, or maybe even actually mean it? What do you do?

I'm more of an I-don't-care type of person. I really don't care what other people do as long as they don't bother me about it.

Hope this goes here...
 
Those are the people you want to stay away from. The only person I knew like this would act like that for EVERY drug. Someone I knew actually was on mushrooms as he harassed him for not being cool like him and taking ecstasy, which ended up becoming a night of violence for them. In the end this kid went the path of weed--> ecstasy-->hallucinogen--> Oxycontin-->random pharms-->heroin-->meth... Who knows what he is doing now last I heard he walked up to a random meth head on the street with fucked up teeth and started making out with them... Before that it was from my friend who was wierded out hanging with him and another person at the 2nd persons house and they where pressuring him to plug morphine by wrapping it in toilet paper and sticking up ones butt and than sit around and talk about how good it feels to have it up there....

To say the least stay away from these people. If you are around them just promote people to do what they feel to do rather than allow them to ask you whether or not to do something as people like this will lead them down a bad path. I actually remember last I heard this person was a cradle robber at the age of 22 (looks for young virgins and turns them dirty with sex, drugs, and rock and roll... Or well nowadays dubstep.) I would not be surprised if he went nuts on bath salts at this point.

Edit: A better title would be "what to do around people who use pressure their peers by laughing at them?" or something along those lines
 
Mocking people that don't use, that's just pathetic. What would be next, drugging them to force them to join in with the fun? As said, stay away from those people.
 
Its funny because I used to do this when I was young and immature. Now I look at people who are content with living their lives without constantly creating an altered state of mind with envy. Using drugs is a choice and your "friend" sounds like the type who will pressure people into getting high to be "cool".

I'm assuming your friend is in highschool? That's one of the only possible excuse I can come up with for having such a sick warped view of reality. All I can say is wait a few years and see who's the pussy. The non smokers who are becoming productive members of society or your buddy who thinks its cool tl get high all the time. I don't mean to be a Dick but this kid doesn't sound like someone u should really be looking up to.

Edit: I'm glad to see other people share my views on this subject. This is not cool at all. If anything being unable to handle life without getting constantly high would make you a "Pussy" all though I would never try and push such a radically insensitive notion.

Part of growing up is developing a sense of empathy, and because of how your friend seems to be incapable of respecting the opinions of others (who are only looking out for their own well being) I think it's safe to say your friend has a lot of growing up to do. You can't entirely fault him though, as I'm sure if he didn't constantly get high on weed all day he wouldn't have such a warped view of reality.


See what I did there :) its called empathy ;)
 
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