Cautious Rookie

[michael44]

Alrite people, just a few quick questions.

I've only used cannabis and mushrooms over the years, but im leaning more towards trying ecstasy/mdma each time I consider it (alcohol is just becoming too much of a expensive farse when trying to reach a decent level of intoxication or on a two week holiday).

Ill be heading out to ibiza in july this year, but i plan to try it for the first time within the comfort of my own home (heard horror storys about one pill can kill some people, as I suppose one peanut can). Im willing to take calculated risks, it feels like alcohol is abusing my body more than any illegal substance ever has, when i wake up after a big nite.

I considering purchasing a testing kit containing all of the EZ Tests - Marquis, Mandelin, Mecke and Xtreme reagents. However im thinking is this actually practical for taking on holiday with me?

Do i need all of these tests as a rookie or could i just purchase some of them individually?

Thanks in advance. Any other tips would be appreciated also.

 

[foxyloxy55]

I think having a few different reagents can be helpful to more accurately determine any adulterants, but if you just want one - get the Marquis. The Mecke is too damn sensitive to weed out some common adulterants in a mixed pill.

As far as taking calculated risks go, if you test your pills and take clean MDMA, the risks are barely there. The "one pill can kill some people" scenario stories are dealing with adulterated pills. The most common cause of death from MDMA is overheating, and even this is very rare if you look at the numbers. I think statistically, you're more likely to die from falling off a horse then from eating ecstasy. Death stories from ecstasy have been over-hyped and sensationalized by the media to scare people.

If you test your pills and drink water, you will be fine, likely more than fine.

 

[severely etarded]

The marquis is the best single reagent, and will tell you if you have MDxx, meth, 2C-x, DOx, DXM, or none of the above in your pill. I find it most useful, if you can't afford the other reagents. Simon's and robadope differentiate between MDA vs MDMA (doesn't matter so much to me). Mandelin is useful for finding ketamine, but I could honestly care less about a little ketamine in my pills. The main ones I avoid are pill with meth, or that do not react at all to the reagents.

Pills without a reaction are usually:
Piperazines
PMA/PMMA
non-active

PMA/PMMA are the most lethal, and a robadope kit can confirm it's presence in a pill that doesn't react to the marquis, it reacts only to the robadope. But if I get a negative on the marquis, I just throw the pill out - who cares if it's PMA/piperazines/whatever, if it doesn't react to the marquis it's not worth eating.

 

[michael44]

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Thanks a lot for your informative replies. Very helpful, ive done a bit more research and i think im baffling myself a bit.

Why is a Simon or Robadope required if you already know MDMA exists? I dont think I understand what secondary amines are.

So if i purchased the complete EZ test kit (i think id have too, just for piece of mind) there would be five tests to carry out?

Marquis
Mandelin
Mecke---------------------------------(does this mean five separate scrapings?)
Simon
Robadope

Also guys, which order should these be done in?

Thanks again, im going to purchase the kit, then attempt to find myself some pills to test (id like to become familiar with the testing process).

PS : Also guys, one more thing, the jaw chewing and clenching is something which worries me abit, ive seen people do it before and it doesn't look to great. Isit correct that magnesium can stop this from happening if taken before a pill (read this in a few places).

 

[severely etarded]

Thanks a lot for your informative replies. Very helpful, ive done a bit more research and i think im baffling myself a bit.

Why is a Simon or Robadope required if you already know MDMA exists? I dont think I understand what secondary amines are.

They are completely unnecessary and only are useful to differentiate MDMA vs MDA. (Personally doesn't matter to me, it's still MDxx.)

So if i purchased the complete EZ test kit (i think id have too, just for piece of mind) there would be five tests to carry out?

Marquis
Mandelin
Mecke---------------------------------(does this mean five separate scrapings?)
Simon
Robadope

Also guys, which order should these be done in?

You only need to use one M reagent. The rest are mainly used to further confirm the results from the original test. It does not matter which you start with, but the results should all indicate MDxx, or something isn't right. More tests are more accurate though, so you probably want to do 5 tests(yes, 5 scrapings).

Thanks again, im going to purchase the kit, then attempt to find myself some pills to test (id like to become familiar with the testing process).

You can try aspirin when you get your kit. It should make your marquis turn red.\

PS : Also guys, one more thing, the jaw chewing and clenching is something which worries me abit, ive seen people do it before and it doesn't look to great. Isit correct that magnesium can stop this from happening if taken before a pill (read this in a few places).

Magnesium citrate is supposed to help. I know it helps with TMJ problems (jaw joint), and many say it helps with clenching. I would take a regular supplementary dose of it, just make sure it's citrate form, magnesium oxide is crap. If you are really worried, what I do is chew gum. I like Five brand because it lasts a long time. If you are extremely worried, you can get you a mouth guard... I think you'll be fine though as long as your pills are clean, take some magnesium, and chew gum.

Good luck! report back if you have any more questions.

 

[michael44]

Thanks again for your reply severely etarded, really helping me get my head around all this.

I've currently got a big tub of Zinc and Magnesium tab's (used them for training and getting a better nights sleep). Would these be ok to take? The levels of Zinc wouldn't be a problem? Here is the content.

Amount per 3 capsule serving:
Zinc (as zinc l-methionine): 30 mg (300%*)
Magnesium (as magnesium citrate): 450 mg (120%*)
Vitamin B6 (as pyrodoxine hydrochloride): 11 mg (750% *)
Copper (as copper amino acid chelate): (600 mcg *)


I've heard people talking about taking other vitamins before taking mdxx, i think it was vitamin C, is there any use doing this also?

Are we talking mouth guard as in what id wear for boxing etc? wow, that would be a strange one, can it get that bad?

I'm just looking forward to going on holiday and not having to kill myself every night trying to reach a level of drunkness which makes me feel comfortable within those environments.

Would you recommend the first time I do it too just take half a pill so I don't worry myself (im 6,3 - 190lb) you can probably guess my anxiety levels are stupidly high from what ive been asking already. Like with cannabis and mushrooms, once I experience them and realise all the propaganda around them is blown totally out of proportion all the anxiety disappears and I can enjoy the substances.

 

[DeToXify]

Would you recommend the first time I do it too just take half a pill so I don't worry myself (im 6,3 - 190lb) you can probably guess my anxiety levels are stupidly high from what ive been asking already. Like with cannabis and mushrooms, once I experience them and realise all the propaganda around them is blown totally out of proportion all the anxiety disappears and I can enjoy the substances.

It's Probably the same hype etc. I haven't tried it but Everyone I know that has done it is perfectly fine as of right now.. As Far as long term effects go I am unsure of. Best Bet would be to ask an Experienced user.

 

[severely etarded]

]I've currently got a big tub of Zinc and Magnesium tab's (used them for training and getting a better nights sleep). Would these be ok to take? The levels of Zinc wouldn't be a problem? Here is the content.

Amount per 3 capsule serving:
Zinc (as zinc l-methionine): 30 mg (300%*)
Magnesium (as magnesium citrate): 450 mg (120%*)
Vitamin B6 (as pyrodoxine hydrochloride): 11 mg (750% *)
Copper (as copper amino acid chelate): (600 mcg *)

I don't think 1 tablet would hurt. anymore though is probably way too much.

I've heard people talking about taking other vitamins before taking mdxx, i think it was vitamin C, is there any use doing this also?

Vitamin C, always good antioxidant. Antioxidants in general are good - green tea is another good one.

Are we talking mouth guard as in what id wear for boxing etc? wow, that would be a strange one, can it get that bad?

I've heard of people using them.. I just chew gum.

Would you recommend the first time I do it too just take half a pill so I don't worry myself (im 6,3 - 190lb) you can probably guess my anxiety levels are stupidly high from what ive been asking already. Like with cannabis and mushrooms, once I experience them and realise all the propaganda around them is blown totally out of proportion all the anxiety disappears and I can enjoy the substances.

One full pill is usually a good dose for anyone, even newbies. I'd take 1 and see what happens.