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I agree completely that the use of biotech should only be used if it has redeemable features, I'm just saying, why limit things to only going with the path of evolution by mutation and natural (or artificial) selection.
 
adrian89987 said:
But our techniques for putting genes into organisms came as a result of evolution, so really its just yet another way that evolution has figured out how to guide the development of species, its all a result of the universe so what makes one route correct while the other is incorrect.
Is there a certain point in evolution where something becomes too evolved to be considered the natural way of the universe? And if so what is that point?
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Thank you :)

It's like some people who only do "natural" psychedelics. I don't understand it. It's in our evolution to make new things. The fact that humans are natural and it comes natural for us to synthesize new psychedelics, in a way I consider synthetic psychedelics (or anything man-made for that matter) to be natural.
 
I think it's really cool that this little tiny section of the universe has evolved to the point that it can determine the way that it evolve to a certain limited extent.

I share the same exact view as you uniter, I can't think of a single thing that is not natural, only things that have been conceptualized by large clumps of molecules to fall into one made up category or another made up category.
 
Well, most synthetics are produced using some amount of hydrocarbons derived from petroleum. The use of petroleum is a very dangerous evolutionary path, and one that needs to be avoided. That's my logic. I use as few things as possible derived from petroleum. To me, the spiritual value of using something that is a more direct product of life itself is much higher. A person has to cultivate life itself, which takes a degree of understanding to obtain the products of life, where synthesis as long as it's tied to the use of petroleum is part of a negative evolutionary pattern that destroys life, and saps a very vital part of the Earth which according to my beliefs is itself an organism. To work with life in a harmonious bond with other organisms is a sustainable process. Like I said above, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of artificial gene manipulation or other biotechnology, however I think it ought to be used sparingly, as the ability for an organism to evolve is important. I feel that the universe has a consciousness which is manifest in evolution, and if an organism is evolving, it is doing so out of conscious effort whether it has a nervous system or not.

Think about it this way: if an alien species much more advanced than us saw the need for us to be better, should they go ahead and manipulate the course of our evolution for their own benefit? Should they force technology or traits or philosophies onto us, or try to make us into something beneficial to them or should they try to guide us in the right direction to help us reach our own full potential?

I think the problem here comes from a human-centered view of evolution. What about all of the other species that act as components of the planet?
 
I see what your saying, but nature is harsh and brutal. Think of animal research. It's using the animal for purely human benefit. Without animal research we'd still be back in the 1700's when it comes to medicine and medical procedures. If someone who is against animal research has a heart attack and wants treatment that was not developed through animal research, well they're gonna die because there's no such thing. I know what your saying that an organism has a life of it's own and should be respected but honestly I don't think that comes natural to us. What separates humans from animals is our ability to manipulate our environment to suit our desires. It's like if we'd never invaded North America and driven down the natives (something which came natural to us), the population wouldn't have grown, none of us north americans would have probably even been born. Nature is brutal, but it is what it is.
 
All of that said, I'm not a primitivist by any means (I am using a computer to write this), and I appreciate scientific discovery and Human innovation. I just don't trust it's course as long as it's tied to an unbalanced economy that ignores ecology to a dangerous extent, and as long as it relies on unsustainable energy.

To me the issue isn't about whether or not something is natural but whether or not it's sustainable.

There is a saying coined by the members of a movement in India to save forests that states: "Ecology is permanent economy"
 
Nibiru said:
To me the issue isn't about whether or not something is natural but whether or not it's sustainable.

There is a saying coined by the members of a movement in India to save forests that states: "Ecology is permanent economy"
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Agreed, very much so. :)

The documentary "The Corporation" is one of my favorites. To know that something is non-sustainable and make no effort or intention to become sustainable is evolutionary suicide. I do think biotech is on the right path when it comes to food sustainability, it's just taking longer than expected. What can we say? It's complicated shit.

I think using petroleum is okay as long it's not the foundation of our world. What I mean is using petroleum is fine on the small scale such as pharmaceutical production or motorsports (what can I say, I like my bike). But to use it for power generation, heating, transportation of goods, and in general the blatant overuse pattern we're in right now, is wrong and we do have to fix it.
 
Yar sustainability is one of the most important things we need to be figuring out right now. If we could have plants synthesize more chemicals for us, thatd be great.
 
so here's some randomness for you all...
I plan on goin to a show this weekend, and plan on taking some 2C-E. If i were to get shitty beforehand and then take the 2ce, will it effect it at all? Or should I take the 2ce and then get shitty? More or less, i like drinking with friends before goin in to shows and stuff but also want to enjoy the 2ce.
 
Really it's a responsibility thing. Seeing as Human beings have made such a large footprint already, it's up to people to develop a culture where a more minimal footprint is made, spiritually and physically, and although I think it might have to set people back for a bit in some ways, they will be able to take a few more steps forward than they would have been. With our degree of evolution and free will comes a duty to use our engorged cerebrums to understand the collective nature of our species and to try to ensure it's survival, as a collective organism.

Now as far as nature being brutal goes, I say it's unforgiving, and so balances itself. We can expect a very brutal blow, sort of a collective return karma considering the impact we've made and continue to make. So I think that minimizing the Karmic footprint is an admirable pursuit, and I'm willing to do it at the cost of a lot of things. And roll with whatever the planet gives us, which comes down to understanding and respecting how it works. Sort of a Gandhian model of simplifying and spiritually refining one's life to maximize the useful impact on one's surroundings, and minimize the harmful.
 
Agreed, alot of the technology that we use nowadays is completely unnecessary and overcomplicates our lives. Even things as simple as automatic doors that always open when someone is in front of them.
 
Yeah... sometimes the work a person does makes them stronger. Eliminating work with technology isn't always the better course. Wealthy societies make a lot of tools to take physical jobs away or to automate things while complaining about the problems caused by a lack of exercise, trying to invent new things to combat it. It hurts my brain.

A Rolls-Royce is a damn fine car, knowhuddamean?
 
I'm so sick of this exponential technological advancement as well.

You need widgets to operate your widgets, man. Its insane. Some technology is pretty cool, but most of it just leads to a form of slavery.

The thing that really erks me, though, is how everybody in this society has an insatiable craving for new stuff despite all the problems its causing. I wish we could just keep things simple, new stuff isn't necessarily better stuff. In fact many products made 40 years ago are higher quality than today's garbage -- its just today's stuff has blinking lights and computer chips n' whatnot.

Meh, problem with my 2C-I order. Its a very reliable vendor, so that's not the problem...i've ordered from them before and they're known as being trustworthy and definitely not scammers. But I got an email saying that they weren't able to receive payment on my moneygram order, so I called moneygram and the moneygram representative said that its been picked up....now, there's been a 7 hour gap between when I received the email from the vendor and when I called moneygram so I'm hoping everything is cool and the vendor just hasn't updated my order status yet. But moneygram seems really shady, man, I just got that vibe from them, I wish I had just paid an extra five or ten bucks and sent the money through western union. :\
 
Roger&Me said:
Meh, problem with my 2C-I order. Its a very reliable vendor, so that's not the problem...i've ordered from them before and they're known as being trustworthy and definitely not scammers. But I got an email saying that they weren't able to receive payment on my moneygram order, so I called moneygram and the moneygram representative said that its been picked up....now, there's been a 7 hour gap between when I received the email from the vendor and when I called moneygram so I'm hoping everything is cool and the vendor just hasn't updated my order status yet. But moneygram seems really shady, man, I just got that vibe from them, I wish I had just paid an extra five or ten bucks and sent the money through western union. :\
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Yeah, I don't like those online credit card funded account thingies either, my favorite method is direct credit card payment to the vendor, if they don't do that I usually just send them a postal money order, takes a couple more days but it's worth it. Haven't used WU yet, but will probably have to on my next order.
 
xploit said:
so here's some randomness for you all...
I plan on goin to a show this weekend, and plan on taking some 2C-E. If i were to get shitty beforehand and then take the 2ce, will it effect it at all? Or should I take the 2ce and then get shitty? More or less, i like drinking with friends before goin in to shows and stuff but also want to enjoy the 2ce.
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Personally I find 2C-E and alcohol to mix terribly... I don't like the feeling of alcohol on 2C-E at all. And I hate getting drunk and then taking a psychedelic. I don't like alcohol much in the first place though. But this has been my experience.

Interesting discussion going on here. :) I don't have time to add a big post now but I will at some point.
 
Hey PDDDDD <3

Back from adventures with my family, I had a wonderful time with my mom dad and brother! I went to a meditation group that had about 250 members with my mom last night and it was a completely psychedelic experience. It was my first experience with group meditation and chanting and will not be my last =D

Has anyone else meditated in a large group like this? It was a 1.5 hour guided meditation in which we focused on love <3

Nibiru said:
Really it's a responsibility thing. Seeing as Human beings have made such a large footprint already, it's up to people to develop a culture where a more minimal footprint is made, spiritually and physically, and although I think it might have to set people back for a bit in some ways, they will be able to take a few more steps forward than they would have been. With our degree of evolution and free will comes a duty to use our engorged cerebrums to understand the collective nature of our species and to try to ensure it's survival, as a collective organism.

Now as far as nature being brutal goes, I say it's unforgiving, and so balances itself. We can expect a very brutal blow, sort of a collective return karma considering the impact we've made and continue to make. So I think that minimizing the Karmic footprint is an admirable pursuit, and I'm willing to do it at the cost of a lot of things. And roll with whatever the planet gives us, which comes down to understanding and respecting how it works. Sort of a Gandhian model of simplifying and spiritually refining one's life to maximize the useful impact on one's surroundings, and minimize the harmful.
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I've been thinkin about this a lot lately. Humans are made to walk, everything use to be manufactured to fit our primary and most basic form of transportation... walking. Now a days everything is scaled to cars, one needs a car to get around comfortably. Its really a problem of city design, we dont want to "shit where we eat" or something like that. Post WW1 the US had predominantly pedestrian friendly cities connected by railroads which we ripped up to lay roads that we have to constantly expand to fit the growing population on the roads and its an infrastructural nightmare. Suburbia is not working and its starting to show. Wonderful thoughts Nibiru <3

Im thinking of making a Graduation from Psychedelics thread (perhaps a sticky??? what do ya'll think), much like Kesey intended to do with his Acid Graduation where he urged people to take the intelligence and perspective that LSD had given them out into the world. "Tune in, Turn on, Drop Out" wasnt working and clearly cant work today, we need minds that think differently to turn ourselves around... like nibru said, a gandhian way of living more simply and intermittently with each other and the world around us.
 
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