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Career advice - "Do What You Love and You'll Never Work a Day"

I just find your approach to the work place a little naive, but then you've not been in the adult world that long. To a large extent I can work when I like, within certain constraints and have done for many years. as far as having people "above me" it's just not like that at all, I have people I work with that have different responsibilities, some of those are looking after my employment and delegating work to me, grown ups don't view the world like a class room.

The amount I get paid is very much linked to how hard I work, in fact many jobs have performance related pay these days instead of the old annual pat increase so it would be easy to argue that being employed offers a direct correlation between effort and pay, more so that being self employed in many cases.

Also I still have to do a tax return and I have an accountant to help me out with such things.
 
Cornish is very endearing. I like the sound of what you describe MM, and have always envied people in those jobs but just never had one that actually left me feeling satisfied for any length of time. I've gotten really bored of every job i've held, and it seems like getting into a position in a job for someone else that I am in working for myself where every day is different and I have some sort of power over what I do would take decades. [edit] Looks like spade largely beat me to it.
 
atm23 said:
I just find your approach to the work place a little naive, but then you've not been in the adult world that long. To a large extent I can work when I like, within certain constraints and have done for many years. as far as having people "above me" it's just not like that at all, I have people I work with that have different responsibilities, some of those are looking after my employment and delegating work to me, grown ups don't view the world like a class room.

The amount I get paid is very much linked to how hard I work, in fact many jobs have performance related pay these days instead of the old annual pat increase so it would be easy to argue that being employed offers a direct correlation between effort and pay, more so that being self employed in many cases.

Also I still have to do a tax return and I have an accountant to help me out with such things.
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I've worked in no fewer than 10 different jobs. I've been working since I was 13! You have a good job, and I don't think a job similar to yours exists for me. If I was in your position where I had to choose between a job that fulfills a lot of my aims in working, and also provided security and stability that I don't really have working for myself, i'd definitely be more torn than I am now - where I have the choice between slogging it out in a graduate job on shit money for at least a decade, with very little no holidays and no freedom and have to answer to those above me every day.
 
I never ever stayed in a job for longer than 18 months until me early 30's, then something just changed.

One more thing I relaly like about my job, that i know will irk you MSB (but thats not why I'm mentioning it), is that we still have a strong union. We've had pay increases, and bonuses every year, even this year was a 3.5% increase (agreed, 3.5% of fuck all ain't a lot), but without the union this would not have happened...whenever modernisation/revisions occur (read increased workloads/redundancies) we are always paid a sweetener for accepting them.

So many manual jobs have gone down the pan with the demise of the unions' strength, minimum wages, casualised workforces, temporary contracts etc.
 
Mailmonkey said:
I never ever stayed in a job for longer than 18 months until me early 30's, then something just changed.

One more thing I relaly like about my job, that i know will irk you MSB (but thats not why I'm mentioning it), is that we still have a strong union. We've had pay increases, and bonuses every year, even this year was a 3.5% increase (agreed, 3.5% of fuck all ain't a lot), but without the union this would not have happened...whenever modernisation/revisions occur (read increased workloads/redundancies) we are always paid a sweetener for accepting them.

So many manual jobs have gone down the pan with the demise of the unions' strength, minimum wages, casualised workforces, temporary contracts etc.
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I was going to say actually, that a barrier to me actually getting along well in that sort of job is that you have to unionise and band together for any sort of power. It's just not my sort of thing, as you rightly point out. The more comfortable you get the more the union deteriorates I guess.
 
kate said:
Do these tests test your charmingnesss?

You are very charming Cornish, that comes over on the internet very much - quite a skill :)
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Woo, thankyou Kate! <3

Maybe I should try my hand on some online dating sites. =D
Actually I found this one on POF the other day. Her 'interests': "BMWS and beauty". lol



ABOUT ME:ok then,aint guna bore you bout all my ins and outs,you will just have to find out more from me in person,actions speak louder than words,i love everything from wantin to be a beautitian to bmws,my 34 dds,and wana do it all and so bring it on!!! Xxx

FIRST DATE: let tha fella thats taking me out decide (treat me nice n look after me n i will look after u ; ) xxxxxxxxx)
im happy to do whatever whereva mwahhhhhhh xxxxxxxx
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I could say all the same things about the 2 years I spent working at a Pizza delivery shop, the point I'm trying to make is work is largely what you make it. Even jobs that can appear to be awful to others can be really rewarding if you have the right mindset, I did the bins for a few months a job considered to be shite to many and i really enjoyed it, good exercise nice down to earth people and finish by 2pm.

I've been working for well over 30 years, but it's not a pissing competition, I don't have problem with self employment but it's a good idea to get some grounding in daily work before plunging into trying to run your own business, you wouldn't go out and try and be a carpenter without a bit of training.
 
atm23 said:
I could say all the same things about the 2 years I spent working at a Pizza delivery shop, the point I'm trying to make is work is largely what you make it. Even jobs that can appear to be awful to others can be really rewarding if you have the right mindset, I did the bins for a few months a job considered to be shite to many and i really enjoyed it, good exercise nice down to earth people and finish by 2pm.

I've been working for well over 30 years, but it's not a pissing competition, I don't have problem with self employment but it's a good idea to get some grounding in daily work before plunging into trying to run your own business, you wouldn't go out and try and be a carpenter without a bit of training.
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It's pretty faulty analogy there atm23. Very few jobs for other people actually prepare you adequately to run your own business. Have you run your own business before? The only way to learn how to run your own business is to actually just dive in and do it, making mistakes and learning from them etc. Having had feet on both sides of this, I can say that I would never go back to working for someone else. There is so much more motivation to do the long weeks when you're doing it for yourself. The mindset i'm speaking about is prevalent across many entrepeneurs. Quite a lot of successful people never worked for anyone else properly.
 
In an attempt to not be condescending I will make no further response.......the stage is your for the last word
 
I think we've done a pretty good job of showing cornish the pros and cons of working for yourself or someone else, I think we should get on with helping him to find a course or something he might enjoy? I still think he should do maths, but first I think he should start going down the gym regularly because to me that is a positive addiction and I think he'll love it :D
 
Mailmonkey said:
yeah cornish, she's definitely a genuine one, get in quick before Mgz falls in love with her.
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Haha, she comes across as a bit high maintenance, but those breastboobs are quite the novelty.

Mugz is probably in there already tbh.

BTT: If you want to do something properly, do it yourself. ;)

Self employment can be as easy or hard as you want it to be.
I could buy a van and move stuff for people, or do some chilled out gardening.

I have off days like alot of people - so I need the psychological reassurance that if I don't wanna get up one morning, it simply won't matter.
I won't have to prove myself to anyone.

Stress free ftw.
 
I have never been in a gym but I am fitter than any one of you whey-filled twats :D Got on the Royal Mail cornish, enjoy the fun of the picket line! And spend most of your day in a Robin Askwith stylee...
 
Cornishman said:
Haha, she comes across as a bit high maintenance, but those breastboobs are quite the novelty.

Mugz is probably in there already tbh.

BTT: If you want to do something properly, do it yourself. ;)

Self employment can be as easy or hard as you want it to be.
I could buy a van and move stuff for people, or do some chilled out gardening.

I have off days like alot of people - so I need the psychological reassurance that if I don't wanna get up one morning, it simply won't matter.
I won't have to prove myself to anyone.

Stress free ftw.
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I understand where your coming from, but I'm not going to blow smoke up your arse. Self employment may well be the best bet for you but think about what your saying.

If you were working a removals man and you had a booking for tomorrow, you wake up and decide that your going to take the day off, what happens to the people you have made commitments to. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because you work for yourself you can always pick and choose when you do and don't want to work. I happen to know someone who has a small removal business and he works very long hours and most weekends.

There is no free lunch and IME those that work for themselves, and I know many work longer hours and have more commitments than the ones I know that work for someone else.

I'm in no way saying it's a bad idea, but you need to be realistic if your going to make a living.
 
atm23 said:
There is no free lunch and IME those that work for themselves, and I know many work longer hours and have more commitments than the ones I know that work for someone else.

I'm in no way saying it's a bad idea, but you need to be realistic if your going to make a living.
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totally agree.

Self employment takes some fuckin motivation, a "special" kind of person maybe ;)
 
I see your point atm, but self employed will always be better.

Obv you actually have to work.
I think it's more a control issue for me.

One thing I hated about my last couple of jobs was the 6 day weeks and the sporadic hours.
You feel like a P.O.S working for 6 quid an hour and getting grief or laughed at all the time.

But. I can easily cope with working for someone. As long as they're easy going, the hours are set and they provide 2 days off every week.
 
Cornishman said:
But. I can easily cope with working for someone. As long as they're easy going, the hours are set and they provide 2 days off every week.
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Same mate, I used to work a 3 day week at RM, I do a 5 day week now, but I'm always done by half one-ish, except round Christmas....get paid till 3 whatever time I finish, even quiet days when you can be finished by 12...

Get on it....just over a tenner an hour too, not massive wage, but better than 6 quid.

You will get laughed at though, still a mainly male workplace, but I'm sure you can give it out too, so you'll be fine.

Get on it!
 
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