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Hey everyone! I took 300mg of tested molly/mdma between 10 and 1 am. Was rolling till around 4am. My husband did to but he passed out at 4:30am:( I'm still awake and its a little after 7am. Is it safe to take benedryl? Thanks guys! I just really wanna go to bed lol
 
I don't know if you've managed to fall asleep, but I've taken diphenhydramine (Benadryl) without problems. I also find that it tends not to do much of anything in terms of effects while on MDMA, so sometimes you have to just embrace that you may be up for a while, or try laying down with him and cuddling to relax yourself.
 
I have also used this without any problems - what I would advise though is if you have been consuming alcohol then I would be careful as mixing the drugs (when unable to sleep) can be horrible.

Also don't take too much - if you cant sleep, then simply get comfortable and relax.
 
Folley said:
One of our most out spoken writers here on the dangers of ecstasy use (FirstBadComedown) had his first bad comedown because he took 100mgs of it after rolling, leading to serotonin syndrome
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Your right. He also says cannabis acts as an SSRI, temporarily boosting serotonin levels and leading lowered levels upon withdrawl of cannabis. He says it causes brain damage when you use MDMA and cannabis.



I'm with the other ED mods, I've taken it many times without issues.

But hey, maybe FBC just has some latent gene none of us have. There's always one person who produces an extra enzyme, or doesn't produce one, etc.
 
Folley said:
One of our most out spoken writers here on the dangers of ecstasy use (FirstBadComedown) had his first bad comedown because he took 100mgs of it after rolling, leading to serotonin syndrome

I wouldnt do that if I was you
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FBC didn't go to a doctor and self-diagnosed himself with serotonin syndrome. He's an intelligent guy, but some of his claims are a little off base IMO. A lot of people on these forums report using benadryl after MDMA with no issue.
 
psilocybinsane said:
Diphenhydramine causes restless leg syndrome for me and other people I know, i can take it without having rolled and have it keep me from sleeping. Anyone else get RLS from diphenhydramine?
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Yeah diphenhydramine also causes rls for me too, when im sober i usally take doxylamine succinate to help me sleep but i ran out one day so i had some benadryl in the cabinet took like 2 and i couldnt stop shaking my legs also it gave me a "wired" feeling.
 
There's no need to analyze a particular ED participants claims, as I think it could lead this conversation away from being helpful for the OP.

I think you should look up other instances of the combination in a web search, and see what you can find. At this point, you've either taken it or you haven't- it's a time sensitive post. I would appreciate hearing if you took it or not, and how it went.

I've taken a standard dose of Benadryl when I've tried to unwind and relax after MDMA. I've also taken K, smoked weed, and taken hydrocodone (Vicodin)- all of which I have been fine with, with the exception of hydrocodone making me puke. I think ketamine (if you have it) wins as the best post-MDMA drug in my experience. It helps me sleep well and feels euphoric at the right doses.
 
Folley said:
^ Are you sure it wasnt the APAP in the Vic's that made you sick?

Sure it probably wont do anything but someone should at least say what happened to FBC considering it was on this exact subject.
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it might have helped a little, but opiates alone make people puke...

I've puked my guts out from 20 mg HC 650 mg APAP (2 norcos)


Benadryl works good for me...
 
You should be fine, but watch out for hallucinations. The only time I've ever fully hallucinated was when I was coming down off of Alcohol/MDMA, took Benadryl then smoked a joint. I agree with Bsiren that K is the best MDMA come-down drug.
 
Bsiren said:
I think ketamine (if you have it) wins as the best post-MDMA drug in my experience. It helps me sleep well and feels euphoric at the right doses.
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^This.
Ketamine is great to do while you're coming down. It eases the comedown and makes you relax a little more.
I'll often do a few bumps of k, and then later on pop a melatonin and that usually does it for me. Benadryl is fine, but I opt for the natural supplements. Your choice. I've tried to use weed to make myself fall asleep, but instead it just makes my heart race and I feel very uncomfortable and cannot sleep.
 
I've had the RLS also and just an all around "can't stop moving feeling" going on while trying to get tired.
I'm pretty sure it's a sign of too much. Try splicing the dosage in half. I know from experience that it doesn't HAVE to give you RLS.

Also I've found Melatonin to be quite a strong sleep aid that you can acquire over the counter. It's less of a tranquilized tired feeling and more of just a "I need to lay down now" feeling. Maybe it isn't the same for everyone. But 8mgs of Melatonin is a very prominent feeling of tiredness overcoming me. It feels a lot less dirty than DPH. And most likely safer to combine with MDMA.
 
Benadryl is ok, but it has lots of possible side effects. It always made me really drowsy into the next day.

Melatonin is better, it acts as a strong anti-oxidant to protect from MDMA neurotoxicity, and is also good for your immune system. Sometimes it can take almost 2 hours to kick in though...even then, sometimes it's not powerful enough.

I would highly recommend Kava kava. It's very potent if you get the right kind. It's very similar to weed in the regard that it adds a positive cozy cushion to pretty much any drug you add it to. It's also known to stop RLS (my gf can attest to this) and it also relaxes your muscles & suppresses appetite. It works somewhat on the GABA receptos as well as some other parts of your brain.

Try it....you'll probably be surprised it's legal.:)
 
cryptix420 said:
Benadryl is ok, but it has lots of possible side effects. It always made me really drowsy into the next day.

Melatonin is better, it acts as a strong anti-oxidant to protect from MDMA neurotoxicity, and is also good for your immune system. Sometimes it can take almost 2 hours to kick in though...even then, sometimes it's not powerful enough.

I would highly recommend Kava kava. It's very potent if you get the right kind. It's very similar to weed in the regard that it adds a positive cozy cushion to pretty much any drug you add it to. It's also known to stop RLS (my gf can attest to this) and it also relaxes your muscles & suppresses appetite. It works somewhat on the GABA receptos as well as some other parts of your brain.

Try it....you'll probably be surprised it's legal.:)
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Marley's Mellow Mood

check it out man!

kava kava + melatonin + valerian root + chamomile + more :D. I tried this the other night, it knocked me out good all night.
 
^ my gf and i have had those :D they're really f'in good. we got ours from a whole foods store.


still though....a real kava kava tincture is almost like having a prescription to an opiate/benzo
 
Wow...didn't know I was being invoked here!
Thanks for the backup BSiren, but don't worry - I have no intention of turning another thread into a typing match.

For the record I believe I was going to have a mildly bad comedown regardless of the DPH.
My evidence is being hardly able to finish a single beer and getting a headache from it.
Something was off, but not by much.
Getting stoned was fine, btw.

DPH on its own isn't that bad.
The problem for me, just as with MDMA, was DOSAGE.

I don't think that taking 25 mg after rolling is dangerous - because only in HIGHER doses does DPH inhibit the re-uptake of serotonin.
100mg was WAY too much for me to take - and THAT is why I ended up with SS.

Also, I did go to the 'doctor' - two different hospitals by the way.
Just not on the first night of SS.

Thanks to Folley for pointing out my strong warnings, I appreciate it.
To the others, please don't question my ability to 'self-diagnose'.
I did a LOT more work than EITHER of the doctors did.

And I would bet any of you a billion dollars that I did, in fact, suffer Serotonin Syndrome.
Again - my first mini-binge +100mg DPH threw me over the edge. Way over.

I am quite informed about SS, MDMA toxicity, and the recovery process...but sometimes I tend to go on...and on.
Don't worry, I will probably calm down soon anyways.
On Halloween I will reach the one year mark...
I have seen many reports of a transition around this time, and I dare say I am already feeling it happening.

We shall see.

Kudos on the melatonin - it should be fairly effective after rolling anyways.
Piracetam would clear the head up quick, but it is also stimulating.
Valerian would be a GREAT call, imo.
Or just find a benzo.

But for God's sake, or mine, watch your DPH dosages!
I can only IMAGINE how many more tabs I could have eaten if it weren't for those 4 goddamn pink pills!
 
And cannabis + MDMA does NOT equal brain damage.
If you are going to quote me - do it correctly!

LONG-TERM HEAVY use of cannabis is associated with GREATER incidence of psychopathology in MDMA users.
That is a tad more specific, don't ya think?

Yes, cannabis acts upon some serotonin receptors.
That is a fact, and it does indeed increase serotonin in the brain in the short-term.
Perhaps it is simply activation of the GI that does this...

Long-term use of cannabis may lower serotonin levels, but this is hard to measure.
It has been shown to change the size and function of the PFC, but I cannot find the link.
Oh well, you'll just have to 'trust' me. :D

Or research it yourself...

Besides, why is it so hard to believe that YEARS of heavy smoking can lead to problems, especially when other drugs are thrown in?
 
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