Cannabis made my son hang himself

Diacetylus said:
^Not necessarily. I know when I was abusing cannabis, it seemed to make my depression worse after the initial high wore-off, and especially when I didn't have any... I would almost be in tears if I couldn't get my hands on any.

Cannabis is a strange drug. For some people it can be completely harmless, but with those who have a predisposition, or family history of schizophrenia and/or depression, or actually, any mental illnesses for that matter, they should steer clear.

I'm not trying to demonize Cannabis in any way here. But, I do believe by some people it is taken too lightly in how it has the potential to change people.
I've seen it change people for the worse, while others it has changed for the better.
But, I have tried many different drugs, including Heroin and meth and never experienced any addiction, or as many problems Cannabis caused me while I was using it.

I suppose, what it comes down to, is that many different drugs affect different individuals in many different ways. :\
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You would fuckin CRY if you couldnt get a bag of bud? WTF

Im a pothead but damn, i would never cry, just be pissed the fuck off.
 
True. In defense of those pot-haters though (well..not in their defense really), pot IS more than just a "harmless" plant. I mean, it must be; otherwise it wouldn't get you high. I think it can introduce levels of introspection and other-worldliness into the minds of people who would rather die than confront whatever more life has to reveal to them. or something like that...
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of course it is. no drug is harmless (although they're all less harmful than people who use them stupidly). pot is just one of the considerably less dangerous ones, and a very unlikely explanation for a suicide, especially one that happened years and years into smoking it. by harmless, i mean that it's very unlikely to cause something to go horribly wrong, such as overdosing or, well, killing yourself. acid's another one; it can be horrible psychologically but physically it's safer than aspirin.

and i see your point about it introducing things into peoples' minds; it's a drug, and that's part of drugs generally. but i just can't see a long-term user suddenly having a revelation to kill himself while smoking his daily bowl. i mean, i've got four diagnosed mental illnesses and smoking pot has caused me no harm at all (in that sense). seems the odds are against pot being the reason.

For some reason, that is the funniest shit I've heard in some time.
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it really is. the mental image is so absurd that it's not even remotely like laughing about rape or something. i pictured a huge-ass bud (as in, person-sized) with a stem that sticks out the front, and then i thought how fragile stems are and imagined it breaking off right away and the bud like, fainting, while the woman's all, what the fuck just happened?

...and that concludes my random "don't let me think AND talk about it" segment.
 
OCjunky said:
You would fuckin CRY if you couldnt get a bag of bud? WTF

Im a pothead but damn, i would never cry, just be pissed the fuck off.
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I never said I did cry. But, the thought of not smoking to relieve how I was feeling at the time would fuck around with my head alot. When I was not stoned, back then I was a very strange person and emotionally hurt alot of people.

You obviously have never experienced an addiction. Because, all thought of logic and rationale are thrown out the window.
 
I'v had tears stream down my eyes because I was awake so long after not smoking buds. Not because I was sad, but because I was up for like 48 hours sober and totally irrational.
 
Hmm..though I do get weird-ass mood swings and sleep from WEED "WD", it's nothing in comparison to what you guys are reporting.
 
Creakle said:
Hmm..though I do get weird-ass mood swings and sleep from WEED "WD", it's nothing in comparison to what you guys are reporting.
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Well, I personally think it was the psychological pull that weed had on me back when I was smoking. Like I said before, I was literally an addict. My family watched me turn from a reasonable, sociable guy, that had goals and aspirations, to a depressed, apathetic hermit that never saw the sunlight.

As I said in one of my previous posts in this thread, Cannabis can seem to be a rather benign substance in comparison to what else is out there, but it's not the case for everyone. Just don't underestimate it like I did.

When I was "fiending" (I will use this term, because smoking weed became the primary goal in my week-to-week activites), I was an arsehole to be around. One thing I do admit though, is that I never physically hurt anyone else, or stole from someone, but I've seen others steal, cheat and lie to their loved ones just to support a pot habit.

Others may go ahead and laugh at the thought of Cannabis being so psychologically addictive to me, heck, go ahead, I don't care. But, it's been over a year now since I last smoked weed and I tend to keep my distance away from my friends that were smoking, because it is just too hard for me to not give into my temptations. Even the mere smell of burnt Cannabis brings back some of the good times I had with it and makes me want to go out and score a gram for old time's sake. But, I fight it off.

You can think all you want. But, Marijuana just doesn't seem to agree with some people. I have seen it with my own two eyes, make, what I thought to be completely mentally healthy people go completely schizophrenic on a bad trip/high from weed alone. When people are in this frame of mind, they tend to do irrational things... I reckon if noone was there to calm this person down she would have ended up seriously hurting herself.

Don't take me the wrong way though... I'm not blaming Cannabis solely for the problems I had, or what other's have had, all I'm saying is that the potential risks of cannabis use should not be completely ignored. It is a drug that alters the way one thinks, it also has the ability to emotionally change a person, like many, many other drugs. In the end, no drugs are 'safe' and should be glorified to the point of making out there are no negative consequences to be suffered for abusing them.

Maybe this guy was already suicidal before he started using Cannabis... or maybe he was high one day and had a revelation that his life was completely useless and he couldn't cope anymore. None of us really know. People tend to do some fucked up shit sometimes, and drugs can sometimes make people think or do fucked up shit too. And when I say "make then do", you know perfectly well that I'm not implying that the Cannabis tied the noose, or held a gun up to his head. It's merely a figure of speech.
 
Addiction to weed is rough. Giving up coke ? Easy. Giving up weed ? NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I do control and regulate my usage now though, so I don't get those crazy side effects. It's more special if you save it for the weekend anyways.
 
Diacetylus...what you're desribing I have never heard of in any way, and I have probably met around a thousand stoners in total throughout the years... Sorry.. it must be the area you live in or something, and just plain paranoia.
 
"I am absolutely convinced that cannabis altered something in his mind and nobody is going to tell me any different. I believe cannabis was ultimately responsible for his death."
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i hate to be this cold, but translation: I was a shitty ass father, neglected my sons mental issues his entire life, and ultimately raised a son who hated life so much he killed himself. Rather than have to deal with this guilt myself, ill scapegoat cannabis since its very easy and well its so horribly deamonized in my culture everyone will hop on the bandwagon! Even if there is no clinical scientific evidence to show that cannabis would cause someone to commit suicide, and furthermore no psychological studies or evidences showing that an allready normal person smoking cannabis would be inclinded to depression tot he point of suicied, AND FURTHERMORE nothing in this universe or any concurrently flowing universes that would suggest that it is even rational and logical to think that cannabis would "make" someone commit suicide - even though this makes no sense at all - im going to blame weed because, well, its easier to accept my sons suicide if its the "evil drug's" fault.

Im sorry but it sounds like this guy was quite unstable, and events in his life, such as seperation from wife and children made him depressed. Perhaps cannabis amplified this somewhat, however, weed doesnt make ppl kill demselves. Cuz ya know, bob marley was damn suicidal! In fact, the cannabis may have even brought him some comfort and delayed his suicide for months, even years. Saying the weed delayed his suicide with comfort makes just as much sense as saying it killed him.


FUCK MISINFORMED REDNECKS
 
C'mon Woody... you're sounding extremely insane in that post. Not everyone who kills themselves does it cuz they had shitty parents... there are a lot of reasons one might choose to do it. And his father could genuinely believe that pot is responsible.
 
I wouldn't downtalk depression like that. I've suffered from it and I guarantee many other people can agree with me that it is a shitty thing. I'm not very depressed anymore but it did take a lot of time, thinking and experience to get over it. I honestly don't think you should hold depression against anyone. Moving on to the topic of this thread, marijuana has made me pretty depressed, only when I didn't have any to smoke but I believe this was due to my already existing depression and when weed wasn't there for me it only put me in a worse mood. I have been unable to eat or sleep but that was in the early stages of smoking, again this could have been due to my already existing depression. I've been smoking for about three years now, just about everyday and when I do go without smoking it sucks a little bit, but only when I have nothing to do. If i'm able to occupy my time, no sweat. I am definately pro-marijuana and I highly doubt that the drug did have an impact as the father said. I believe weed is the scapegoat for this tragic incident.
 
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