Canada - 'Bath salts' drug ingredient to be made illegal

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'Bath salts' drug ingredient to be made illegal
Meagan Fitzpatrick
CBC
June 5th, 2012

The federal government intends to make methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), a key ingredient in the street drug known as "bath salts," illegal.

The white powder drug that contains MDPV and other ingredients is known to cause hallucinations, paranoia and violent behaviour.

Bath salts may have played a role in a violent attack in Miami recently. Police in the Florida city say a man they killed because he was allegedly eating another man's face and refused to stop was exhibiting behaviour consistent with taking the drug. It has also been linked to other bizarre episodes and harmful incidents, according to police.

The drug started popping up in Canada a few years ago. Users typically snort, smoke or inject the drug, and experience effects similar to the kind of high users get using amphetamines.

A Nova Scotia man recently described to CBC News how the feeling he had after using the drug was scary even for an experienced drug user. He said he felt like killing himself, or someone else, and he ended up in hospital.
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Okay, this was bound to happen - I am actually surprised by how long it took - but what pisses me off is that this is clearly a knee-jerk reaction to the media hype over the Miami incident... which hasn't even been linked to MDPV except through SPECULATION from NON-EXPERTS.

I guess that's how it always goes, eh?

Fuck Canada. The older I get the more I realize that our country, for the most part, just sucks on U.S. cock.
 
For fucks sake! Nicely done media stooges. Guess writing these stories is easier than having to do any real journalism or research...
 
I thought these were all illegal as nonspecific amphetamine analogues. Health Canada at least got right on top of the mephedrone thing, I know that's considered an amphetamine analog fo sho.
 
based on isomerdesign.com pyrovalerone is scheduled IV but not the MDpyrovalerone...correct me if im wrong
 
Ok this is bullshit, I don't really care that MDPV will be illegal, hopefully it just fades away into the mess of other (much better) illegal stimulants.

It is obvious that the entire world is getting high on drugs... and not just pot! There are more drug users in the world than there are non-drug users, this I am sure of! Everyone needs to start being a lot more open! I am sick of everyone I know snorting meth, snorting oxys and snorting grams of coke at a time but still putting on some fake show for everyone else... It is like an junkie that goes to a family reunion/thanksgiving, of course they are going to shoot up once or twice in the washroom, of course! But, why the fuck do they need to hide it... A junkie at thanksgiving dinner always looks so put together, collared shirt, well done hair and cologne... The second they get home they peel all that shit off and be themselves...

I have always been open with smoking pot and when I started using drugs people would tell me to be quiet or be less obvious. The only reason it is a problem to be an obvious drug user is for what all the small minded people will think!!! I wouldn't say I look like a junkie, I look like a stoner for sure, but, when I see a junkie walking on the street, I nod (no pun) and smile. There is no hiding that affliction and all they ever get is shit for it!

People should be OK with saying they like to smoke meth... who the fuck cares!? From what I hear about all these 'bath salts' people are much more open with being users of these chems because they dont yet have social stigmas! FUCKED UP!

I have never heard of packaged 'bath salts' or otherwise... I have tried to hunt them down in Ontario and I can't find any headshops, truck stations or corner stores selling this shit... and yes, I was checking before the face eater incident. Nothing. I don't even understand why Canada cares about MDPV... Whatever... if this keeps eyes off of Methoxetamine I think we should all be happy... They can invent some new mind twisting stims... MXE is kinda special.
 
Doctor_Ew420 said:
Ok this is bullshit, I don't really care that MDPV will be illegal, hopefully it just fades away into the mess of other (much better) illegal stimulants.

It is obvious that the entire world is getting high on drugs... and not just pot! There are more drug users in the world than there are non-drug users, this I am sure of! Everyone needs to start being a lot more open! I am sick of everyone I know snorting meth, snorting oxys and snorting grams of coke at a time but still putting on some fake show for everyone else... It is like an junkie that goes to a family reunion/thanksgiving, of course they are going to shoot up once or twice in the washroom, of course! But, why the fuck do they need to hide it... A junkie at thanksgiving dinner always looks so put together, collared shirt, well done hair and cologne... The second they get home they peel all that shit off and be themselves...

I have always been open with smoking pot and when I started using drugs people would tell me to be quiet or be less obvious. The only reason it is a problem to be an obvious drug user is for what all the small minded people will think!!! I wouldn't say I look like a junkie, I look like a stoner for sure, but, when I see a junkie walking on the street, I nod (no pun) and smile. There is no hiding that affliction and all they ever get is shit for it!

People should be OK with saying they like to smoke meth... who the fuck cares!? From what I hear about all these 'bath salts' people are much more open with being users of these chems because they dont yet have social stigmas! FUCKED UP!

I have never heard of packaged 'bath salts' or otherwise... I have tried to hunt them down in Ontario and I can't find any headshops, truck stations or corner stores selling this shit... and yes, I was checking before the face eater incident. Nothing. I don't even understand why Canada cares about MDPV... Whatever... if this keeps eyes off of Methoxetamine I think we should all be happy... They can invent some new mind twisting stims... MXE is kinda special.
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This post just made my night. Absolutely brilliant, totally agreed.


What totally boggles my mind is that it will be Schedule I...along with cocaine and heroin. Someone correct me if I'm wrong to say that MDPV is much, much less "dangerous" (for lack of a better term) than these. Also, I thought it was a precursor..why would it be Schedule I?
 
^MDPV is just as dangerous if not more dangerous than cocaine or heroin, assuming all are pure substances.

@Doctor_Ew420: i'm pretty sure Health Canada is not cool with MXE, as it is an analogue of ketamine and for whatever reason it's not allowed to be sold in Canada, a Canadian vendor was even raided for selling it.

@sekio: i'm also quite sure that Health Canada does not care about mephedrone, it has been openly sold along with other cathinones, MDPV, and ethylphenidate from Canadian vendors. Things like 4-fa are not allowed though.
 
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RobotRipping, I remember one known and quite popular Canadian ex-vendor got a bnch of flak from Health Canada over mephedrone being an analog of methcathinone, at least in their eyes if not the word of the law...
 
marie.claire said:
Could you elaborate on that please? I'm curious :)
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Well for one pure heroin hardly damages your body and cannot cause psychosis if you have a binge, and I think cocaine is a bit safer because it doesn't last as long therefore its harder to have a binge that causes psychosis. Im not 100 percent sure if im right about what I said about cocaine though.
 
MDPV is FDA approved for medical use, and physically I'm sure it's much safer than cocaine. I'm convinced the biggest reason why MDPV psychoses have been happening so frequently is because an active dose is very small, and the people buying it from corner stores have no idea.

As for Health Canada considering mephedrone an amphetamine analogue: they reflexively make pronouncements like that for a lot of drugs, but what they say has no legal legitimacy. Let's see that hold up in court.
 
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Doctor_Ew420 said:
Ok this is bullshit, I don't really care that MDPV will be illegal, hopefully it just fades away into the mess of other (much better) illegal stimulants.

It is obvious that the entire world is getting high on drugs... and not just pot! There are more drug users in the world than there are non-drug users, this I am sure of! Everyone needs to start being a lot more open! I am sick of everyone I know snorting meth, snorting oxys and snorting grams of coke at a time but still putting on some fake show for everyone else... It is like an junkie that goes to a family reunion/thanksgiving, of course they are going to shoot up once or twice in the washroom, of course! But, why the fuck do they need to hide it... A junkie at thanksgiving dinner always looks so put together, collared shirt, well done hair and cologne... The second they get home they peel all that shit off and be themselves...

I have always been open with smoking pot and when I started using drugs people would tell me to be quiet or be less obvious. The only reason it is a problem to be an obvious drug user is for what all the small minded people will think!!! I wouldn't say I look like a junkie, I look like a stoner for sure, but, when I see a junkie walking on the street, I nod (no pun) and smile. There is no hiding that affliction and all they ever get is shit for it!

People should be OK with saying they like to smoke meth... who the fuck cares!? From what I hear about all these 'bath salts' people are much more open with being users of these chems because they dont yet have social stigmas! FUCKED UP!

I have never heard of packaged 'bath salts' or otherwise... I have tried to hunt them down in Ontario and I can't find any headshops, truck stations or corner stores selling this shit... and yes, I was checking before the face eater incident. Nothing. I don't even understand why Canada cares about MDPV... Whatever... if this keeps eyes off of Methoxetamine I think we should all be happy... They can invent some new mind twisting stims... MXE is kinda special.
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Excellent post. Strong point. Captures the spirit of many blue light users.

So long as those meth smokers understand their limits, the neurotoxicity of the drug, can maintain a sleep/eating schedule and not let the sociopathic tendencies of the drug take them over, I have nothing against it. But that's incredibly rare.

Meth quite literally changes people when it's used for fun. There is too much stimulus, breaking down and building up of dopamine. There is too many changes in cortisol and other hormones. Even slightly disturbed sleeping/eating schedules can impact the toxicity of meth.

Myself for example, I used 30-50mg a day for 5 months to test how it would impact me. It's been a month since I have quit and it has been difficult to fully regain the person I used to be. Everyday I get a little more natural energy back. It's like resharpening a dull sword.

Meth should either be used once in a blue moon for fun (Under experienced supervision), or at a very low dose 5-20mg for therapeutic reasons.

Now the rebuttal is that there are millions of alcoholics out there who are completely "accepted". I understand, I do not see alcoholics as being any better than meth addicts.
 
marie.claire said:
Could you elaborate on that please? I'm curious :)
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MDPV is a strong stimulant, so addiction is definitely possible, as well as psychosis from binge using. There are also many reports of how vasoconstrictive it is. MDPV has the same risks as most other stimulants. MDPV is also quite potent, which could lead to an easy overdose if someone makes a mistake in dosing it. I don't think it's that dangerous when used responsibly, but it has just as much potential for disaster as heroin or cocaine if used in the wrong way. Probably not great for the heart either. Then again MDPV is an rc so who knows how risky it really is, could be much worse or relatively benign.

@sekio: did not know that, i know some vendors who openly sell it still and haven't had any issues. I'm pretty sure it's not explicitly illegal, kind of like MXE, despite Health Canada trying to shut vendors down anyway. AFAIK analogues of amphetamines are illegal but that's it unless otherwise specified ie. ketamine being an analogue of PCP.
 
RobotRipping said:
MDPV is a strong stimulant, so addiction is definitely possible, as well as psychosis from binge using. There are also many reports of how vasoconstrictive it is.
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Isn't that also the case for many other hard drugs? Heroin and cocaine are definitely known to be addictive.

I guess I just found it odd that it would be listed as a schedule I.
 
The way I always like to look at things is this:

I KNOW what the effects (good and bad) are of drugs like cocaine and heroin. These drugs have been used for a long time! Having the knowledge of what negatives there can be is honestly half the battle to being completely harm reductive. The only problem is purity/adulterants (due to prohibition)
Even if all heroin sold was exactly 99% pure we would see LESS overdoses and less harmful effects from people repeatedly poking themselves with 'heroin' that is mostly fentanyl and inactive cut! A heroin or coke addict can know eeeeeeverything they could ever need to know about the chemical they want to take. It is all guess work as to what else is in it. People smoking fake cannabis and JWH-blahblah are the most ridiculous of all to me. I tried smoking JWh once and I would never do it again. It got me stoned once... hurray!!! I can get stoned 5 times a day from legit pot and have a pretty good idea on what negative effects it is having... No one knows about these alternatives.. I would sooner take street ketamine over methoxetamine anyday!! Some goes for coke.

Since this whole 'hard drugs sold in convenience stores' thing started about a year or two ago I have been wondering what it would really be like if all drugs were legalized and controlled. I think for 10 years+ things would be pretty fucked up... I think it would be for the better good of future generations, but with the way people gobble up drugs (especially if they come in a colourful, cool packet) these days is pretty alarming. I think if all drugs were legalized we would all turn to look down on them as most of the educated world does with alcohol abuse.
 
Bath salts are available in Windsor, ON. I live right across the border in Detroit and I know people that go to Windsor to get Canadian weed, ecstasy and bath salts. I don't smoke weed (I hate it), but I guess Canadian weed is supposed to be super potent according to some people I know. So bath salts are available in Windsor, Canada at least.
 
It just surprises me is all, I know of shops in my town that openly sell crystal BZP (ich! lol!) kratom and mimosa hostillis. I just cant manage to find any of these 'bath salts' that I have been hearing about... I doubt I ever will now.
 
hello bluelighters!:) this is actually my very first post as i just became a member today:) im a constant visitor of the sight but never was a actual member. anyways,i live in southen louisiana and several convience stores sell things like relaxtion brownies (fake weed brownies) actual fake weed, relaxation drinks such as "sippin syrup" and "drank" which is one i actually enjoy sincde i am a codeine sipper. well,not too long ago i pulled into the corner store and dea agents were everywhere confiscating "bath salts" and arresting the store owner..i was like WOW! IS that stuff really that big- a-deal??? ive never tried it.
 
I would have to suggest that your interest dies there. Go buy some cocaine or amphetamine if you want what bath salts have to offer.

Now, I would appreciate if you could privately message me or something so that we don't bog down this thread with off topic shit, but those drinks sound very very interesting and I have heard nothing of them previously.

I also enjoy some syrup when I can get it, similarities?
 
Doctor_Ew420 said:
I would have to suggest that your interest dies there. Go buy some cocaine or amphetamine if you want what bath salts have to offer.

Now, I would appreciate if you could privately message me or something so that we don't bog down this thread with off topic shit, but those drinks sound very very interesting and I have heard nothing of them previously.

I also enjoy some syrup when I can get it, similarities?
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I think the drinks are drinks that contain melatonin
 
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