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Can You Keep the Magic Alive Forever?

crazyotter87

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I know there are some long-time rollers here, so I'm just looking for some anecdotal reports. Assuming you don't completely abuse massive serotonin releasers, will the magic last forever? I usually aim for 4 times a year (every 3 months), I've done it 4-6 weeks apart twice and haven't noticed any difference. I'm just curious about your personal experiences or those of your friends.
 
The magic has been as strong as ever for me after 25 years of use. But I space my rolls out by much wider margins than most. Sometimes 4-5 years between. Although I've gone through periods of using more heavily with only 2-3 weeks between and years where I did it 4-5 times in one year.

The only time I didn't feel any magic is when I consumed MDMA within about 2 weeks of taking it prior after consuming it 3 or 4 times in 6 months or so leading up to it. The last time I rolled I got hit so hard on the come-up by about 120mg that I puked for the first time ever on a come up. I planned on rolling on the 1st of this month but canceled due to real life getting in the way and doing it on the Beltane+full moon being a bad idea. But I'll be rolling on the next full moon for sure (weather permitting) and I'm sure it'll be as strong as it ever was.

Sadly, it will be the last of the gram I bought a decade ago and I doubt I'll be able to source any as good again. I wish I would have not wasted two doses doing it alone at night just out of boredom. But at the time I needed the mood boost. I also wish I would have saved more MDA to mix with this last roll.

I will probably be unable to source either again after this last roll because I lost all local sources for it and I'm weary about ordering it off the internet these days with all the stories about "meh-mdma" going around and the recent news about that purple crap coming out of China.

The magic can remain for a life time provided you don't abuse it. For me MDMA has always been strictly for once in awhile experiences. I had a friend that took it every weekend for a long time. I gifted him tablet that was far too much for me. I had to break them in half if I didn't want to get hit over the head with a hammer. I once took an entire tablet in a public place and knew I shouldn't have done it (it wasn't a festival/party setting). I had a really good night but it was very obvious to everyone that I was on something just because I was so far gone.

Anyway, that friend I gifted that tablet to called me up a week later to tell me it was bunk and I needed to yell at the guy that sold it to me. I just let him rant because I knew it wasn't the fault of the material. It was really really good stuff. He simply can't take MDMA anymore no matter how much he consumes. His body either straight rejects it (he pukes it up almost instantly) or if he manages to keep it down he'll feel nothing even off a 200+mg dose.

I on the other hand can get a strong roll from as little as 90mg. But most of the time I take 100-120mg and follow up with a 50-60mg re-dose at hour 2-3 to keep it going for another hour or two. I've been taking MDMA for over two decades now and the only time I ever had a bad time is when I got sold a pill way back in the day that contained something else (I suspect meth mixed with some other chemical that was going around at the time). Whatever it was kept me up for over 24 hours and was a horrible time.

IF I wouldn't have gifted so much to people over the years like the friend above or idiots that decided to take two pills when I intended him to give one to his girlfriend I would probably have several grams of the stuff and have enough sitting around to last a life time.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
The magic has been as strong as ever for me after 25 years of use. But I space my rolls out by much wider margins than most. Sometimes 4-5 years between. Although I've gone through periods of using more heavily with only 2-3 weeks between and years where I did it 4-5 times in one year.

The only time I didn't feel any magic is when I consumed MDMA within about 2 weeks of taking it prior after consuming it 3 or 4 times in 6 months or so leading up to it. The last time I rolled I got hit so hard on the come-up by about 120mg that I puked for the first time ever on a come up. I planned on rolling on the 1st of this month but canceled due to real life getting in the way and doing it on the Beltane+full moon being a bad idea. But I'll be rolling on the next full moon for sure (weather permitting) and I'm sure it'll be as strong as it ever was.

Sadly, it will be the last of the gram I bought a decade ago and I doubt I'll be able to source any as good again. I wish I would have not wasted two doses doing it alone at night just out of boredom. But at the time I needed the mood boost. I also wish I would have saved more MDA to mix with this last roll.

I will probably be unable to source either again after this last roll because I lost all local sources for it and I'm weary about ordering it off the internet these days with all the stories about "meh-mdma" going around and the recent news about that purple crap coming out of China.

The magic can remain for a life time provided you don't abuse it. For me MDMA has always been strictly for once in awhile experiences. I had a friend that took it every weekend for a long time. I gifted him tablet that was far too much for me. I had to break them in half if I didn't want to get hit over the head with a hammer. I once took an entire tablet in a public place and knew I shouldn't have done it (it wasn't a festival/party setting). I had a really good night but it was very obvious to everyone that I was on something just because I was so far gone.

Anyway, that friend I gifted that tablet to called me up a week later to tell me it was bunk and I needed to yell at the guy that sold it to me. I just let him rant because I knew it wasn't the fault of the material. It was really really good stuff. He simply can't take MDMA anymore no matter how much he consumes. His body either straight rejects it (he pukes it up almost instantly) or if he manages to keep it down he'll feel nothing even off a 200+mg dose.

I on the other hand can get a strong roll from as little as 90mg. But most of the time I take 100-120mg and follow up with a 50-60mg re-dose at hour 2-3 to keep it going for another hour or two. I've been taking MDMA for over two decades now and the only time I ever had a bad time is when I got sold a pill way back in the day that contained something else (I suspect meth mixed with some other chemical that was going around at the time). Whatever it was kept me up for over 24 hours and was a horrible time.

IF I wouldn't have gifted so much to people over the years like the friend above or idiots that decided to take two pills when I intended him to give one to his girlfriend I would probably have several grams of the stuff and have enough sitting around to last a life time.
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Thank you for your input. I figured this was the case for most people. Luckily, I have a lifetime supply of MDMA and MDA. I was rolling last night (it still leaves me speechless every time) and thought to myself: can I keep this up for 10+ years if I follow the guidelines? I think it's possible, though I know it'll be a sad day if I take it and the euphoria just isn't there like it used to be. Good MDMA/MDA still exists online; you just need to buy in bulk. Then again, maybe it doesn't. Who knows?

I hope your next roll is as magical as ever. Thank you again for sharing your experiences. 25+ years of use and you still have the magic. That's great to hear.
 
crazyotter87 said:
I know there are some long-time rollers here, so I'm just looking for some anecdotal reports. Assuming you don't completely abuse massive serotonin releasers, will the magic last forever? I usually aim for 4 times a year (every 3 months), I've done it 4-6 weeks apart twice and haven't noticed any difference. I'm just curious about your personal experiences or those of your friends.
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50 years of use and abuse. Everythng still works as advertised. These days, I really appreciate any euphoria,esp. since I tested some MDMA .Fentanyl pos,so i guess the anaesthesia from F stops one noticing the lack of euphoric hyper.That is more evident in the meth.Which is also usually not meth ,in my humble little corner,but it is very speedy.My fav euphoria is heroin.I was very happy to have some home grown goldtops recently,finding 300 gms good for a calmness,prior to attempting euphoric substances.One needs more for tripping but that low dose was useful.Of course polydrug use is dangerous but the mushies went well with the crystal (whatever it may be.) So jealous of the lifetime supply dude.lol
 
crazyotter87 said:
Thank you for your input. I figured this was the case for most people. Luckily, I have a lifetime supply of MDMA and MDA. I was rolling last night (it still leaves me speechless every time) and thought to myself: can I keep this up for 10+ years if I follow the guidelines? I think it's possible, though I know it'll be a sad day if I take it and the euphoria just isn't there like it used to be.
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Should be no problem to keep it up for life as long as you stick to the rules. I should have mentioned that when I was consuming it 4-5 times a year there was a noticeable decline in effects. I was still rolling pretty good but the experience stopped being novel and I could tell I wasn't spacing doses out as much as I should be. My issue being that when I would purchase larger batches of MDA/MDMA (or multiple tablets) I would get into wanting to share. So I'd roll with friend 1 then they'd tell friend 2 about it. Who would want to try it but wanted me to roll with them. So then I'd take it again weeks-month later when I knew I shouldn't be plus dosing 3+ people (friend 1 obviously wanted in again) that time. So for every dose I took I'd always be giving away 2-5. Which exhausts supplies more quickly.

I would notice some reduction in effects (peak not as high as it should have been) and increase in side effects (mostly post-roll). It would go on like that for several months until I would run out. Since friends would bug me to try it as a lot of my friends IRL generally didn't have access to MDMA, LSD, MXE, K and things of that nature unless they went through me. I never charged anyone any money. I always bought in bulkish amounts and refused to sell to friends. Which burned a hole in my pocket that prevented me from buying more of those kind of substances for a little while (usually, no more than once-twice a year). Effective way to prevent myself from dosing anything too often.

The one time I took what I knew was really good MDMA and didn't have a good time was a New Years Eve party. We went to a show and I took a lot of LSD. When we got back to the hotel with a group of people we met they had a large bowl of moon rocks sitting on a table. I didn't know those people and my friend I did know said they put it out for me (well everyone) and I was being rude not to partake. I had taken MDMA I think 7-14 days prior and had been dosing heavily in the months leading up to that. Actually, it might have been only 3 days since I last partook.

Anyway, I ate one piece out of that bowl. Maybe I didn't take enough. I was tripping very hard on LSD around people I didn't know. Usually, MDMA would have taken care of any social anxiety. But on that night it didn't help at all and I didn't even feel like I'd come up on MDMA. Maybe it wasn't good MDMA but I assume it was because others seemed to be having a good time and getting usual effects. I can't know for sure since I'd never taken any out of that particular batch before. It was purple and I'd never taken a purple moon rock before then. What I got was always white/clearish or if MDA a slight brownish tint to the crystals (Sass). That purple MDMA didn't smell as strong and the MDMA/MDA I usually purchased.

I can't know if it was because of taking too much LSD that night or if my tolerance caught up with me. I suspect a combination of both. Looking back I probably should have taken more but I was worried about taking it too often at the time. I didn't want to deal with the come down I knew would be coming because I had to drive us 5 hours home in the morning.

Aside from that one time every time I take MDA/MDMA it's always as strong as it ever was. You should have no problem if you stick to the rules. I personally believe the wisdom everyone parrots about spacing doses isn't good enough. I think you should always wait much longer than most people say. That advice seems aimed at people that go out and party every weekend who plan on taking it all of the time. If you get into that lifestyle you will burn yourself out quickly if you aren't careful.

MDA seems more troublesom than MDMA in this respect by the way. I've always preferred MDA myself. But it seems to build tolerance faster for me and take longer before tolerance declines.
 
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crazyotter87 said:
I know there are some long-time rollers here, so I'm just looking for some anecdotal reports. Assuming you don't completely abuse massive serotonin releasers, will the magic last forever? I usually aim for 4 times a year (every 3 months), I've done it 4-6 weeks apart twice and haven't noticed any difference. I'm just curious about your personal experiences or those of your friends.
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I can only go by my experience. I've dosed about thirty ecstacy pills in six months and I'd say the magic was lost after twenty. The remaining felt good and would go clubbing ( this was 2000-2001) and ride around daytona beach with friends on vacation, meeting and hanging out with locals. Other cities as well. Doing it at home in a small rural town where no clubs were weren't that fun plus tolerance

I took a four month break then try again, maybe this batch was impure pills but I never got it back

Untill thirteen years later of no serotonin drugs, nothing in this time. I found 5 mapbs online, dosed way to high 110 mgs , it came back and some. Ended up with serotonin syndrome three days afterwards using 5 htp, passion flower, high ecgc, and the herbs seemed to cause it particularly 5 htp and 500 plus mgs egcg, which cause 5 htp to cross the bbb.

Waited three months did 50 mgs, three more months, then never went above 70 mgs of 5 mapbs again. Obtained 6 apb. Did about 2-4 times a year of empathogens. 2017 did it four times ,mixed 90 mgs 6 apb with 10 mgs 4 ho mipt and had massive emotional issues, crying, relationship was very bad and this just amplified negative feelings. I learned a lesson about being in negative relationships, as on empathogens positive and negative emotions are amplified

Last time I did mdma was thanksgiving 2024 and it's a new batch still in stash, did 90 mgs and 15 mgs 6 apb combined. Definitely felt it and had an amazing time with a special someone. She moved off and didn't text me back, anyways,

As a middle aged guy that discovered psychedelic s at thirty five, did first lsd at forty , and a dissociative at forty three, I really do not feel doing mdma alone is worthwhile or any empathogen for that matter.

I say at least do it with some friends going out into the city , or ideally with someone you feel good about doing it with, and most importantly not rushing it just bc it's been some time since you've rolled

I would rather wait to o it correct than rush into doing it , even if that means years between rolls.or maybe never doing it again I'm open to that as well
 
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In the 70s MDA came in a white powder and would buy usually a gram. I guess in the 80s ingredients for MDA became scarce because of government crackdown on specific ingredients. I think that is when MDMA came into the picture (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't recall seeing MDA in pill form but I know it happened.
Also I don't recall MDA as being much of an empath but it was defiantly psychedelic.
 
Been using it responsibly for about 20 years. I'm in my early 40s. The magic is still very present for me.

There was a time when I used it every 2-3 months early on, but for me personally I found that was too often and I did start to see diminished returns, as well as a more noticeable "flatness" to life in between rolls.

I've settled on 1-2 times a year as optimal for my chemistry and lifestyle, and at that cadence I think I can retain the positive effects for as long as I want.

In these discussions, what doesn't get discussed enough is the manner in which you live your daily life. Meaning if you are generally healthy, eat well, sleep well, exercise regularly, and have good social networks, you are likely to have much better experiences. If between rolls you are abusing other drugs or alcohol or living an unhealthy lifestyle, the negatives will add up much more quickly.

I do think at some stage you might find 4 times a year to be too often, but then again, maybe not. Especially if you are taking care of yourself.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
In the 70s MDA came in a white powder and would buy usually a gram. I guess in the 80s ingredients for MDA became scarce because of government crackdown on specific ingredients. I think that is when MDMA came into the picture (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't recall seeing MDA in pill form but I know it happened.
Also I don't recall MDA as being much of an empath but it was defiantly psychedelic.
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My Dad loved "MD" as he called it. MDA in the late 70s-very early 80s. I tried to gift him some MDA several years back out of a gram I purchased. I showed it to him and he thought I had gotten into doing crystal meth. Was pretty upset until I explained what it was. He said what they got back in the day looked different. I assume powder. I tried to give him two MDMA pills another time and he refused to take it because "I never seen it like that before". Still haven't managed to get him interested. I'd really like to roll with him at least once. Maybe in the future.

I don't know how many times he took MDA back in the day. He only told me about taking it one time. He said he had a bunch out on a plate and he spent the day tripping with a fly. Said the fly kept landing on the plate and eating little bits of it and then it would fly around all happy for a little while. After that it landed on the arm of his chair and hung out with him for a few hours.

I got the impression that at one point MDA was pretty popular in our little home town. Since I hung around with a bunch of the old timers that were around his age and they all got very excited any time I mentioned I had some laying around. I never gave any away to the old timers because they didn't seem interested at the time. Well they were interested but they couldn't set aside 1-2 days to do it due to family obligations. But they all had fun stories about taking it back in the day.

None of them were into the club scene. At least not the club scene that sprung up around MDMA by the time I came along. We had some disco clubs and stuff like that back then but most of them didn't go to those kind of places. Most of them said they ran into it at bluegrass festivals and rock shows. It seemed like it was popular to dose some at the skating rink back in the day to.

Whomever was bringing it in back then was probably the same people bringing in the LSD and cocaine. All the old timers said LSD flooded into the area around the mid-late 70s along with some very good cocaine and sensimilla weed. They all said before the mid-late 70s there wasn't much of an illegal drug trade here at all. That you had to either grow your own or go 2-3 hours out of town to get anything worth smoking. If you wanted to trip you had to go out into the cow pastures and find mushrooms yourself. But sometime in the mid-70s LSD, MDA, cocaine, heroin and good weed was suddenly very easy to come by and it stayed like that until the war on drugs started.

Speaking of mushrooms. I always found it odd how the web claims no good ones grow wild here but they're everywhere. They grow so well here that I can find good shrooms right in my front yard by my porch any time it rains. I think I've tracked the spores in on my boots from walking around the pastures so often. They grow in my parent's and grandparent's front yard to. Any time it rains the fields are full of them. We have a ton of old pasture land here (sadly, a lot of it being sold off now). But if you search the web for wild hunting guides all of them and everyone on the usual places claims we're in some kind of dead zone where nothing of value grows. Too far south for one kind and too far north for another. I know all the old timers have been picking them since the late 60s at least here. Goes to show you can't always trust the wisdom on the internet.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
In the 70s MDA came in a white powder and would buy usually a gram. I guess in the 80s ingredients for MDA became scarce because of government crackdown on specific ingredients. I think that is when MDMA came into the picture (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't recall seeing MDA in pill form but I know it happened.
Also I don't recall MDA as being much of an empath but it was defiantly psychedelic.
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I forgot to say. When it comes to buying MDA it seems like it's a niche item when you buy it in person. At least that's how it has always been here. People are weary of selling it to clients that are used to MDMA. Since it has a reputation for being harder on the brain/body. At festivals and shows people don't seem to care of course and it's more openly avaiable. But when buying in bulk locally or even just picking up a couple of grams I've always got the warning about it and the whole "please don't re-dose it" talk.

The sources I had certainly kept less of it around and I know they didn't sell it as often. I always got the impression that it was something they kept around only for themselevs and they only sold it to a limited number of people. If they know you're the type of person to go through a gram in one night and re-dose a bunch they'll flat out refuse to sell it to you.

With MDMA they have no problem selling garbage bags full of tablets but you have to twist their arm sometimes to get them to break out the MDA and cut you out a gram of the stuff.
 
I usually put about 6 weeks between rolls, then take a series of 3-8 months off when I get sick of rolling, then go back to it and get back on my 6-week or so break period between rolling. I also administer psychedelics (and oftentimes dissociatives) virtually every time that I roll.

I've gone on exactly 3 molly benders, the most significant of which was about 8 months ago when I burnt through 2 grams in 6 days, often coadministering methamphetamine, DOM, LSD, 2C-B, memantine, ketamine, a variety of cannabinoids both natural and synthetic, bupropion, caffeine (of course), and carisoprodol sometimes mixing the carisoprodol with a little bit of etizolam.

This was in no way a healthy choice but I was on the cusp of suicide and decided to blast my shit as hard as I possibly could to see if I could break my way out, and I did. I would not recommend something so noticeably toxic to anybody else, but I suppose it was a better choice than adding a bullet to my food pyramid.

I have yet to lose the magic whatsoever, personally.
 
Esperighanto said:
This was in no way a healthy choice but I was on the cusp of suicide and decided to blast my shit as hard as I possibly could to see if I could break my way out, and I did. I would not recommend something so noticeably toxic to anybody else, but I suppose it was a better choice than adding a bullet to my food pyramid.
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You seem too be an outlier with empathogens. Therapeutic doses are best for the brain benefits of all drugs in that field for that effect.

Example ketamine , there's a fine mg line between benefits , and dosing too high, the same with other drugs unless tolerance is high
 
Innerpeace said:
You seem too be an outlier with empathogens. Therapeutic doses are best for the brain benefits of all drugs in that field for that effect.

Example ketamine , there's a fine mg line between benefits , and dosing too high, the same with other drugs unless tolerance is high
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Yeah I'm definitely an outlier to quite a degree when it comes to how I metabolize drugs.
 
Esperighanto said:
Yeah I'm definitely an outlier to quite a degree when it comes to how I metabolize drugs.
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Im curious if it is just empathogen related, and your high on a bell curve for all drugs or certain ones?

Are you able to take high doses of ketamine without having weird thoughts ?

Are you able to take high doses of sub four typtamines without seeing things that only really high and high dose dose mgs causes for the standard sub four explorer?

how about lsd?

do you take script drugs that effect serotonin? ssri's, ssni's?
 
Innerpeace said:
Im curious if it is just empathogen related, and your high on a bell curve for all drugs or certain ones?

Are you able to take high doses of ketamine without having weird thoughts ?

Are you able to take high doses of sub four typtamines without seeing things that only really high and high dose dose mgs causes for the standard sub four explorer?

how about lsd?

do you take script drugs that effect serotonin? ssri's, ssni's?
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My dailies are caffeine, cannabis and bupropion, none of which interfere with other drugs as far as I'm aware. I can feel things down to really low thresholds, but just don't seem to have an upper limit of "too high". I think it helps that I've never in my life felt anxiety before, but normal low doses of drugs work just the same as they do for everybody else. I'm not quite sure what "weird thoughts" are from ketamine in this question, but I see things from even low doses of four-substituted tryptamines.
 
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