can you change the chemical structure of????

[coombesy]

this may sound like a noob question but i am only just starting to educate myself with these processes so excuse me for any excessive noobishness

i am interested in a lot of chemicals that are just not available to me unless i have a hand in their creation such as 4-aco-dmt etc

my question is is it possible to change something i do have acess to like 5-meo-dmt into 4-aco-dmt or any other psychoactive compound with a reaction of some sort?

what other chemical changes to compounds can be made?

i have looked but cant seem to find many answers and no threads on it

 

[pharmakos]

you might want to just delete this thread if you can. this is synthesis discussion, which is a no-no here.

 

[coombesy]

i pm'd a moderator before posting so sorry if this is not allowed but, i am not really asking how to synthesize a compound just if its possible to change what i have into something else without too much trouble

i have read in other threads about changing acetate into hcl forms and to freebase etc so assume this isnt much different from discussing that

if this is a no go mods please just delete the thread i did ask a mod before posting if it was ok to post on the topic before posting it to avoid geting in trouble

 

[g0to]

changing one compound to another is basically what synthesis is.

what youre proposing would probably be an extremely complicated process needing a full equipped lab.

I recommend reading thru a college chem book a few times, so you can know the difference between different salts of the same compound (acetate, fumarate, hcl, sulfate,etc) and compounds which are somewhat structurally similar but very different. (5meo vs 4aco).

 

[Dresden]

It is impossible to convert 4-OAc-DMT to 5-MeO-DMT and/or vice versa.

Luckily, this ? has nothing in common with a so called synthesis discussion. Synthesis discussions sound less like alchemy and more like betty crocker: they say, "to a well stirred solution of 125g lah in dry et20 there was added dropwise over the course of 1 hr a solution of 5 mL 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene prepared by the condensation of benzaldehyde and nitroethane using cyclohexylamine as the condensation base catalyst and methanol as the solvent followed by reduction with nabh4 in meoh and reduction with al foil alcohol and hgcl2" and so forth...und so weiter en aleman mon. www.drugs-forum.com allows synthesis discussion or what not

 

[dread]

FWIW I don't think it's impossible per se, but at the very least it's so impractical, complicated and generally not worth the hassle that you can just forget it straight away.

Grow some mushrooms, and extract 4-ho-dmt from them, which is a lot more feasible approach. Then if you can acquire some acetylating agent that is capable of acetylating phenols, you may have a shot at the 4-aco version.

 

[daddysgone]

Believe it or not, I think the OP is literally asking the question,
"Is is possible to change one substance into another".-DG

 

[coombesy]

dread thanks for that reply

do you know any acetylating agent that can be used for this?

is there any other similar procedures similar to this with other comopounds?

i am a complete beginner when it comes to things like this as u can probably tell so sorry if my questions may seem a bit silly to some of you i am just keen to learn

 

[Dresden]

all sorts i do mean all sorts of a bewildering array of changes can be made to organic compounds it's just the one you specically mentioned is currently and unequivocally impossible per se by any known chemical process

its like the aa saying that goes science may one day discover a way to turn the problem drinker into a normal drinker but it hasn't done so yet!!!

 

[vecktor]

synthesis discussion with specific details is verboten.
Anything can be converted into anything, whether it is practical is whole different matter

other forums including the exceedingly dodgy drugs-forum allow it

 

[Dresden]

Yeah, well if science figured out how to reverse that aromatic oxidation and go from an O 4 to an O 5 or vice versa then fuck i reckon I really did miss out on all that which my second rate public university had to offer.

thank goodness it doesnt matter now but just to contradict you one more time why dont u tell me how to make 5-meo-dmt from 4-oac-dmt cuz it aint gwen happen foo

 

[coombesy]

ok thanks for all the replys

dresden i was not for one moment pretending i could do this and was just curious as to weather it could be done how hard it would be etc i have never done any science in university or college or even at GCSE for that matter

what are some of thes bewildering array of changes that can be made to certain compounds? not askin for anyone to tell me how to do this shit jus wana know what changes are feasably possible without a propper lab

a boy can wonder though.......

 

[vecktor]

Yeah, well if science figured out how to reverse that aromatic oxidation and go from an O 4 to an O 5 or vice versa then fuck i reckon I really did miss out on all that which my second rate public university had to offer.

thank goodness it doesnt matter now but just to contradict you one more time why dont u tell me how to make 5-meo-dmt from 4-oac-dmt cuz it aint gwen happen foo

like I said anything can be made from anything, from the top of my head

4-AcO DMT from 5-MeO DMT,

5-MeO DMT to 5OH DMT

5-OH DMT to 5-OTf DMT

5OTf DMT to DMT

DMT to 4-thalliated DMT

4-thalliated DMT to 4OH DMT

4-OH DMT to 4AcO DMT

Done.

If could be bothered I could figure out going the other way too, again not practical but possible.

perhaps you did miss out on the education from your third rate university.

 

[seep]

i am interested in a lot of chemicals that are just not available to me unless i have a hand in their creation

Why do you personally have to have a hand in their creation? That's like reading a book on karate and then challenging a ninja to a duel.

 

[coombesy]

Why do you personally have to have a hand in their creation? That's like reading a book on karate and then challenging a ninja to a duel.

like i said i have acess to certain chems such as dmt, 5-meo-dmt, 5-ho-dmt, mescaline etc but others such as 4-aco-dmt 4-0tf-dmt? 4-thalliated-dmt? i doubt i will ever be able 2 come by unless i can create what i want using a reaction to what i can get or however it is done

 

[notadoctor]

like i said i have acess to certain chems such as dmt, 5-meo-dmt, 5-ho-dmt, mescaline etc but others such as 4-aco-dmt 4-0tf-dmt? 4-thalliated-dmt? i doubt i will ever be able 2 come by unless i can create what i want using a reaction to what i can get or however it is done

The answer to your question is to learn chemistry. What people have been trying to tell you is that there are nearly limitless changes that can be made to a compound using a wide variety of different reactions, some of which might be practical, but many of which would be absurdly difficult. Even if detailed synthesis discussion were allowed here, there would be no point in generating a laundry list of chemicals, and overly complicated synthetic routes to them. If you're really serious about this, here's one way to do it:

1. Do what it takes to get into a university.
2. Take math.
3. Take a full general chemistry sequence.
4. Take a full organic chemistry lab sequence.
5. Take biology and biochemistry and a little physics couldn't hurt.
6. Do not mention your desire to make sexy designer drugs at any point during your undergraduate education.

This will take several years of hard work, but at the end of it, you will know the fundamentals needed to understand the chemical reactions used in drug synthesis.

If you are desperate to make a specific drug, and the procedure is not too complex, chances are someone has already figured out how to do it with kitchen chemistry, and posted a crude procedure online. Without becoming educated yourself, you are relying on the competence of some random person on the internet, who may or may not know what they are doing. How will you know if you screwed up the reaction, or if there are dangerous impurities left in your product? Without serious chemistry experience and equipment, you won't.

 

[seep]

It's hard to generate a thousand atmospheres of pressure in your living room.

 

[Dresden]

Not practically possible, but I hear u. And UGA, Athens, is not a 3rd rate uni its just that my heart was set on Harvard

go DAWGS sic em! woof! woof!

 

[daddysgone]

I hate to be the asshole here (actually I kind of like it), but I think the obvious really needs to be stated here:

I mean no offense, but you clearly have no, and I mean NO knowledge of chemistry. There is no shame in that. Personally, I have very little knowledge of chemistry. But the difference is that I realize that my lack of chemistry knowledge precludes me from even contemplating the sorts of things you are proposing.

Do you know what is actually involved when performing these reactions? It's not like baking a cake where you just add a bit off this and a bit of that. It is complicated and precise work that takes a TON of skill and knowledge.

Please understand that if you attempt these reactions, at best you will fail to synthesize the chemical you intended, and at worst, you will put yourself and others in danger.

Sorry to be a party pooper-DG

 

[Dresden]

coombesy actually seems like an very intelligent young seeker of chemical knowledge to me from what Ive seen. We all start somewhere you know, and the journey of 1000 miles starts with a single step, but like I said before and ill repeat again now, converting 4oacdmt to 5meodmt and vice versa isnt feasible atm at all.