can you change the chemical structure of????

[coombesy]

yes i am just keen to acuire knowledge, i have tried some VERY simple extractions such as DMT fom MHRB mescaline acetate from san pedro and although i will be buying pure dextromethorphan hbr soon i will try an extraction on some cough syrup just for the fun

like dresden said i am on the journey of a thousand miles and have just taken the first few steps i am thinking about enrolling in college and then uni but as i have been out of education for years and onli just scraped sum gcse's, (my skool wudnt even take me on in 6th form) albeit not through lack of intelegence i was jus a lil bastard at that age an was never there i find it a bit daunting thinking about going back into education and what else id have to do before i could even begin the courses i want to

i have no desire to attempt anything that is dangerous without being completely certain i understood how every step works and am confident i can do it without any problems so dont worry about me blowing anyone up just yet

 

[daddysgone]

Please note- I was not suggesting that the OP lacks intelligence. I agree, from what I can tell he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and I applaud his curiosity. I'm all for him going back to school and reading books on chemistry as he seems to have a real interest in it.
I just wanted to point out that the specific things he was asking about are far beyond the capabilities of a "kitchen chemist".

To the OP-Im happy to hear you would not attempt these things until you have the skills and knowledge under your belt to ensure that you could to so consistenly and safely. Good luck with your endeavors.-DG

 

[seep]

4-thalliated-dmt?

I think he means phthaliated (though I'm not familiar with organothalliation!)

The junior colleges down here will take you if you can pass an American GED--and they have pretty good o-chem profs trained by the Soviets.

Do you know what is actually involved when performing these reactions? It's not like baking a cake where you just add a bit off this and a bit of that. It is complicated and precise work that takes a TON of skill and knowledge.

Skill is an enormous bitch. Try doing a grignard synthesis with a cocky attitude. It's all good fun until your grade depends on purity and yield (or your life, for that matter).

I don't understand why the curriculum involves more lecture time than lab time. I learn more in one good lab session than in fifteen lectures.

 

[MurphyClox]

^No, I'm sure Vecktor was talking about thallium-related chemistry. Check the toxicity of thallium and it's derivatives and you'll know that this is anything but beginner's chemistry.

For anybody who didn't read between the lines of Vecktor's post, I may translate it:
"Yes, it's possible by chemical means, but it's also:
- hell of expensive,
- dangerous for several reasons, and
- not feasible at all!"

The proposal of "5-X-tryptamine → 4-Y-tryptamine" is just pointless. Period.

- Murphy

 

[coombesy]

the question was not specific to any compound change more rather is there a suitable starting point compound to create 4-aco-dmt or any other interesting tryptamines that wouldnt have the troubles of "5-X-tryptamine → 4-Y-tryptamine" and that are easily obtainable by simple extraction etc
or are all compound changes simply too dangerous/expensive/pointless to even be considered by a begginer?

 

[dread]

or are all compound changes simply too dangerous/expensive/pointless to even be considered by a begginer?

Pretty much. Although acetylation of 4-ho-dmt to 4-aco-dmt with acetic anhydride would probably not be too troublesome, in fact it should be pretty easy. But first you need to learn growing mushrooms (very easy) and then extracting psilocin with methanol (relatively easy).

 

[coombesy]

thanks dread
i will be ordering spores etc soon so will try a psilocin extraction from some of the lovely mushees i grow and just had a look and acetic anhydride and methanol are pretty easy to get so in the time it takes them to grow should give me plenty of time to read up on the procceses involved
ill keep everyone updated as to weather i get this done

 

[vecktor]

A bit of advice do not post about planned illegal activities on this forum, it is really dumb.

Acetic anhydride is a EU controlled precursor, and using it to make a class A controlled drug from another class A drug is going to lead to a whole world of pain.

Don't go there, if you do then for gods' sake do not post about it here.