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"can somone talk with me ?" (DXM as treatment for mental problems)

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i know im leaving things out but i dont know how to explain this experience ,i was always scared of anything psychadelic i once took lsd only 1 hit of blotter and had a 12 hour panic attack but here is my story i had to type this quickly because i didnt want anybody reading it in the place im at right now so forgive me for the long paragraphs

i hit a really bad spot in my life and was like i gotta do somthing,and it was crazy that i chose this route but i read about psychadelic realizations where everything clicks a aligns and i couldnt get and hardcore ones so i tried dxm ,and i mean i went over board i took it for 2 weeks everyday 100-300mg everyday and it was really crazy i realized i was pushing things away i dont know if i had dissociative personality disorder or what but i have always felt disconnected ,as a child 11 or so years old i would have ALOT of panic attacks everyday ,then a person drown when i was 14 he couldnt swim he was like 25 years old and i couldnt save him he almost drown me ,he was 6'4 250 i was around 190 pounds at the time anyway he drown and let go of me right as i was sucking in water at the bottom of a river,this made thins so bad for me ,i stuffed it down ,when people close died i stuffed it down and never showed emotion i felt ashamed that i was feeling these things and it wasnt normal i thought i was weird so i stuffed it down and drank away the pain,yes as a 14- year old i was drinking alot ,now all this seemed to flash infront of my eyes till it seem to come to a peak one morning,then bam if felt like a hge over filled water baloon burst and wased over me actuially thats what i saw in my head and i broke down in my dads camper crying and going histarical for like 30 minutes i thought i was having a breakdown i was so scared but it felt so good i weaped and balled reliving allthis shit that happened to me then i realised i dont want my life to be ABOUT drugs i wanted a life and if i got high or drank here and there it really is ok as long as it doesnt hurt other people and that it was OK that i felt these things

while taking the dxm i felt as i did when younger i was happy !! i smiled when going to bed and getting comfy and warm i had a big grin on my face like yea this is so simple but yet so great ,i stopped wanting to just sit and sulk ,i wanted to get up and do shit and i did i stopped taking it after that day and i feel different i speak my mind now ...i can actually go into large crowds and not freak out inside and want to flee...is this because dxm is like a ssri???? i didnt know this until recently is this feeling going to go away ,should i try AD's?? this was like a revalation to me man i feel like im finally lined up RIGHT inside but im scared its going to go away
 
HYDRO_CHRONIC said:
i know im leaving things out but i dont know how to explain this experience ,i was always scared of anything psychadelic i once took lsd only 1 hit of blotter and had a 12 hour panic attack but here is my story i had to type this quickly because i didnt want anybody reading it in the place im at right now so forgive me for the long paragraphs

i hit a really bad spot in my life and was like i gotta do somthing,and it was crazy that i chose this route but i read about psychadelic realizations where everything clicks a aligns and i couldnt get and hardcore ones so i tried dxm ,and i mean i went over board i took it for 2 weeks everyday 100-300mg everyday and it was really crazy i realized i was pushing things away i dont know if i had dissociative personality disorder or what but i have always felt disconnected ,as a child 11 or so years old i would have ALOT of panic attacks everyday ,then a person drown when i was 14 he couldnt swim he was like 25 years old and i couldnt save him he almost drown me ,he was 6'4 250 i was around 190 pounds at the time anyway he drown and let go of me right as i was sucking in water at the bottom of a river,this made thins so bad for me ,i stuffed it down ,when people close died i stuffed it down and never showed emotion i felt ashamed that i was feeling these things and it wasnt normal i thought i was weird so i stuffed it down and drank away the pain,yes as a 14- year old i was drinking alot ,now all this seemed to flash infront of my eyes till it seem to come to a peak one morning,then bam if felt like a hge over filled water baloon burst and wased over me actuially thats what i saw in my head and i broke down in my dads camper crying and going histarical for like 30 minutes i thought i was having a breakdown i was so scared but it felt so good i weaped and balled reliving allthis shit that happened to me then i realised i dont want my life to be ABOUT drugs i wanted a life and if i got high or drank here and there it really is ok as long as it doesnt hurt other people and that it was OK that i felt these things

while taking the dxm i felt as i did when younger i was happy !! i smiled when going to bed and getting comfy and warm i had a big grin on my face like yea this is so simple but yet so great ,i stopped wanting to just sit and sulk ,i wanted to get up and do shit and i did i stopped taking it after that day and i feel different i speak my mind now ...i can actually go into large crowds and not freak out inside and want to flee...is this because dxm is like a ssri???? i didnt know this until recently is this feeling going to go away ,should i try AD's?? this was like a revalation to me man i feel like im finally lined up RIGHT inside but im scared its going to go away
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I'd stay away from the dxm, but if it gave you such a positive experiance then perhaps thats your reaction.. personally I find things like mushrooms help so much.. i don't do it anymore, but mdma is being tested in clinical settings to cure PTSD - which it seems like what you have.


p.s. personal note, i know these forums are just about psychedelics and their effects, but i find gatherings that have a psychedelic culture - such as burns or some festivals - are supremely healing and beauitiful events. the people, music, and healing that takes place is a phenomenon, in my life.


I would honestly say one thing that helped me heal the most was going
 
If this turns out to be a temporary amelioration than a cure, I'd definitely consider therapy. I wouldn't expect the results you achieved with DXM to be chiefly caused by it's SNRI effects, so it shouldn't be reproducible by your standard anti-depressant. However I do believe modern psychiatry should have tools to help you deal with this better.

Also, we could move this to the mental health subforum, unless you intend to continue self-medicating with PD-relevant drugs (see how little, how infrequently you can take DXM to maintain these effects, if you are unwilling to seek accredited help at the moment), or just want PD's brand o' love & advice.
 
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Seconding Never Knows Best here, therapy might be the only thing to save you. The important thing about MDMA for curing things like PTSD is that you are actually in therapy when taking it, learning to open yourself open up etc. I don't think that's really needed here, as you seemingly already know exactly what is wrong.

Antidepressants aren't really effective in the way you're hoping them to be. It's more like a patchwork, rather than a cure. I'm no psychiatrist though, which is why you should see one. Don't look for an easy way out as there is none, a feeling is just a feeling. Learn to work with your problems and overthrow them.

I'd say at some point, when you're feeling a bit better (therapy can def. do that, even 1 or 2 sessions), try to take a psychedelic again and write all your emotions down as good as you can. If you're open and honest about your feelings you will not go through that hell again (not a guarantee), though you might have a very emotional, bit melancholic trip. That's a good thing though, the trips I remember the most where the ones that gave me such feelings and they remain the most helpful to this day.

Again, chemicals are only an aid. You are the one that needs to work, which might be easier said than done. The best and good luck though.
 
it was like i relived all this shit...but i had started doing things i hadnt done since i was little ,i used to always take the crust off the bread,then stopped at like 12 years old ,i was at my mothers house when i did it again ,she almost cried i dont know why guess it reminded her of when i was little,i mean i felt as if i did before addiction ,i went back to when i was scared all the time and kinda went with the emotions yea it was very scary and then i read that psychotic breaks have happened with dxm and it really got to me

while i was on it for the 2 weeks i mean i was litterally speaking everything i thought ,and brought things up to discuss that i never thought i would and while people didnt like some of the things i said i was VERY articulate and made them see things my way ,it was amazing how well i could think and put it into somthing where no matter how crazy the topic they were like damn yea i do get it now
 
Are you sure it was all "you" though? Dissociatives are known to induce mania and maybe that was going on, instead of an elevated mood or antidepressive effects. Binges like this can be really bad
 
well like i said i think i dissociative personality disorder to begin with cause i never really felt like i was in sync ,never caould deal with any emotions ,when i did drugs yea i liked the feeling but i went with things that would knock me unconscious i didnt want to be awake i didnt want to feel anything ,while i was up in the camper i didnt push the fealings down i let them roll and i felt like i had somthing litterally flowing through me pulsating at one point it felt like some kinda of euphoric orgasm not the kind u get from sex but i was litterally laying there like mmmmmm ,with every breath came a mmmmm after words, i have never felt anything like that ,i felt like i was gonna melt with euphoria ,maybe it was from the relase of emotion that i stuffed down ,i read where runing from a certain emotion from somthing tramatic CAN lead to multiple personality disorder from being so dissaciated by what stuufing so much shit down can do to the mind

so that scared me ....all the 2 weeks nobody even knew i was acting different cept they did say DAMN U ARE TALKING ALOT .AND FAST....
 
Dissociation can also be a symptom of PTSD, which it sounds like you have. I too would recommend seeing a psychologist or therapist that deals with such things. I actually see a psychologist on occasion for ptsd myself and it is quite helpful. EMDR (eye movement desensitization & reprocessing) is one therapy you might want to look into as well. I've never done it myself, but some people close to me have had good results going that route. MDMA assisted psychotherapy does seem to be pretty effective in a large percentage of PTSD patients, but i'd be reticent to recommend that unless you can find an underground psychotherapist that does such things. Some people have reported good results doing it in a self-directed manner, but I feel that could be unwise to do alone, even more so if you don't have much experience with psychedelics or empathogens.

Good luck getting help, i know ptsd can be a pretty rough road to traverse. Hope this helps some!
 
try ketamine... google "ketamine and depression". i still think mushrooms would heal you more than anything though.

also the reason i recommended going to burns or psytrance festivals or gatherings is i think it is a form of therapy - but 100x more effective than paying a therapist to talk to you.
 
i don't think mushrooms would do shit. From OP's post it sounds like OP needs some therapy at least to talk about the trauma and such. You also just sound like you have an anxiety disorder besides that as well. Anxiety and dissociation are tied together, so more anxiety = more episodes of dissociation. DXM has been used by people (not studied afaik) as an anti-depressant to great success in some cases, mixed results in others and no difference so it varies. The doses you would take daily would be lower than recreational doses. Some have mentioned that a once a week flood dose (say 2nd-3rd plateau) is enough to keep you in that state. When i used to use dxm regularly i noted the same effects as you, it fixed everything and i was happy.

If you're having panic attacks then i'd strongly advise to stay away from traditional and rc psychs, they are very stimulating in some cases and will cause massive anxiety. Unless you have benzos on hand i wouldn't play around with them, especially mushrooms, which for some can be dark. Seeing a psychiatrist is probably a good idea but i find they have a fucked up view of mental illness and may just end up throwing medication after medication at you. A three pronged approach of exercise/lifestyle changes along with therapy and medication is definitely the best route.

I have dissociation/derealization a lot and other weird issues and the only thing that helps me are gabaergics but use that as a last resort, like when in a panic attack or when you feel you are going crazy.
 
i started taking the zoloft the doc prescribed,but i have only been taking it for like 2 weeks but im decide'n to stop taking it,when can i take dxm again ill only be taking like 100mg or less?
 
SSRI's can take a time to have proper effect. I recommend against stopping with it so quickly and also without consulting your 'doc'. Even more so, the choice in the matter should have nothing to do with DXM use. Drugs like that are not smart or suitable as long term solutions for these issues, don't abandon a long term treatment for self-medication to serve short-term needs.

Of course Zoloft can turn out not to work well for you, but that still leaves other avenues in psychiatric medicine.

Zoloft has a long half-life of more than a day which means that it takes several days before you could take anything else, that is if there are no metabolites that also cause dangerous interactions like serotonin syndrome.
Assume 5+ days or better a week or more. But seriously, don't quit - get a new appointment.
 
i was on zoloft back in the day for like 3 months and i was on 100mg and it felt nothing like this ......guys i have NEVR felt so in sync i was confident i was sure ,i was ready to do somthing with my life,im back to feeling nervous at just opening my mouth at somthing i dont agree with ...i cant live like this again when i felt what it was like to not care ,NOT REALLY CARE what anybody thought ,i could shut up a room of 10 or so people when i was taking the dxm because they were like whoa u make alot of sense ...i couldnt do that now and its only been well i dont even know how long ...but i heard seritonin syndorm only happens with LARGE dosages i may not go over 80mg or so
 
i went ahead and took it ...no this aint no feel sorry for me post but in all honesty am i really living if i live in fear every day ,all day long my stomach was in knots ...whats the point if you arent really into it(life) and feel like your are on the sidelines watching all day everyday

ima head to bed i guess
 
It's your life and your health to risk, but choices are not that black and white or simple: it is not like the only thing you can do is take DXM and that will solve it - there are other solutions to try and people to find that can help with that professionally.

The point is that trying to make it work yourself (a lot of drug use and abuse is in the name of self-medication) can be hard to guide because there is nobody else watching over the changes you go through.

Sorry that you are going through a rough time (I've been having issues for years now, too) and don't feel bad for trying to find ways to fix it... but don't let it be too final. Like giving up medication in general or thinking that there is no hope left, but to follow your immediate insticts and cravings.

Also, you took DXM on top of Zoloft, then went to bed? I don't quite follow the point in that...

DXM may have pharmacological qualities that you could try to look for in other serotonin reuptake inhibitors / enhancers, but ones that have less effect on cognition or addiction risks, etc.
 
like??wich ones cause like i said i was on zoloft and before that paxil when i was like 15-16 paxil mad things so much more worse,zoloft just made me stop worrying SO much but i still worried ....i dont know what dxm does because it fucking did somthing i am finding reports of people that also say it it was almost like the real "them" was brought back

and i didnt take but 70mg and yea i feel a change,i didnt take it to trip, thats why i went to bed
 
On this site check out the list at the bottom fold out if you show 'serotonergics' and then 'reuptake inhibitors', it will show these:

NSFW:

SERT:

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs): Alaproclate Citalopram Dapoxetine Desmethylcitalopram Desmethylsertraline Escitalopram Femoxetine Fluoxetine Fluvoxamine Indalpine Ifoxetine Litoxetine Lubazodone Omiloxetine Panuramine Paroxetine Pirandamine RTI-353 Seproxetine Sertraline Vilazodone Vortioxetine Zimelidine; Serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs): Bicifadine Desvenlafaxine Duloxetine Eclanamine Levomilnacipran Milnacipran Sibutramine Venlafaxine; Serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitors (SNDRIs): Brasofensine Diclofensine DOV-102,677 DOV-21,947 DOV-216,303 NS-2359 SEP-225289 SEP-227,162 Tedatioxetine Tesofensine; Tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs): Amitriptyline Butriptyline Cianopramine Clomipramine Desipramine Dosulepin Doxepin Imipramine Lofepramine Nortriptyline Pipofezine Protriptyline Trimipramine; Tetracyclic antidepressants (TeCAs): Amoxapine; Piperazines: Nefazodone Trazodone; Antihistamines: Brompheniramine Chlorphenamine Diphenhydramine Mepyramine/Pyrilamine Pheniramine Tripelennamine; Opioids: Pethidine Methadone Propoxyphene; Others: Cocaine CP-39,332 Cyclobenzaprine Dextromethorphan Dextrorphan EXP-561 Fezolamine Mesembrine Nefopam PIM-35 Pridefine Roxindole SB-649,915 Tofenacin Ziprasidone

VMAT:
Ibogaine Reserpine Tetrabenazine


The point is not that you should randomly try (S)SRI's in that category but that DXM is not the only one that has such effects. But if it is the dissociation you are looking for to relieve you, that is not a great idea as a long-term solution and another topic pharmacologically speaking.

All reasons why I say: go talk about this, see if you haven't given enough time or if another medication is proposed. I know that feeling like shit for several reasons can bring a person to despair, but realize that your best chance is to invest in a sustainable solution. I have many doubts about dissociatives such as DXM as a sustainable solution.
 
Listen, I think you guys confused this kid. He now thinks that because he had an afterglow from the DXM and it lifted his depression and y'all told him its an SSRI that that was why, so now he wants to get on pharmaceutical poisen.

Just because its an SSRI, taking a single dose of an SSRI would have no such effect.

I believe that its the NMDA action that caused him to feel better, and ketamine would be a much better suite.

Or mushrooms, in a different way ;)
 
No, he went on a 2 week DXM binge and felt comparatively great afterwards, which could be caused by a lot of things.

And sorry, but IMO a more conventional anti-depressant with therapy will be more useful than NMDA antagonism with NO supervision at all. I believe in the possible power of this class of drugs, but therapy is def. something that you need to keep yourself in check. Especially with something like Ketamine which has a huge abuse potential
 
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