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can placebo work in reverse?

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Newbierock

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if somebody really beleives they're gonna get high then sometimes they get a little placebo buzz.... But if a right stubborn sonofabitch beleives he ain't gonna roll and the pills are dud can this effect stop him feeling the effects?

Reason I ask is I dropped last night and a friend of mine kicks off saying the pills are bunk etc, he dropped 3 anyway along with everyone else, about an hour later everyone else is getting crazy bug eyes gurning all the usual stuff. However thiss asshole isn't gurning and his pupils are only a tiny bit bigger than usual, slowly got bigger over the space of about 6 hours lol. he says he felt nothing at all...

what i'd like to know is wtf
 
Yeah, and MDMA is especially dependent on set. You can completely talk yourself out of rolling.
 
could be possible but never happened to me, because i buyed pills from a guy that allways has the best ones availible, well i was convinved they are great but after a few hours not much happened, i asked wich pills he had and it were bunk pills

in the reverse placebo could have a bigger effect tough i dont know
 
yea i have a friend that is very unfortunate to me because many times we would drop and everyone is all fucked up except him barely feeling anything..

i think he thinks about it too much or something
 
Did your friend do the same pills as everyone else? Has the person been abusing ecstasy lately or in the past? I'd also find out if your friend is on any antidepressants or ate a large meal prior to rolling as both can diminish the effects.

I don't know if it's possible for someone to not feel anything from a large dose of MDMA simply by being in a negative mindset. I could see them having a crappy, unenjoyable roll but that doesn't mean they still wouldn't feel a sensation brought on by the drug.
 
Aye same pills from the same bag, he's abused it just as much as me and all my homies (which is really heavy almost daily use for a few months, then a break now a once of month kind of thing.)
 
yeh, i reckon it definately could work in reverse. Maybe not to such a large extent, cos even if your expectations or mind or whatever is that strong, you'd think you'd still get the physical side of things at least.. dilated pupils and gurning/clenching?
but i think its possible for a placebo type effect to dull it down..
and maybe if you expect nothing to happen, and your not in a good mood cos you reckon you have bad pills or whatever.. just being in a foul mood could make the roll seem not as intense/enjoyable?

you said though that you and your friends had been pretty heavy users.. and even though they still effected you, everyones different and some people might get tolerant to things much easier or quicker than others?
does he usually get less fucked up than you guys or before this has it always been equal?
 
He's usually been pretty much on the same page as all of us with tolerance, we all usually consume similair amounts and all get pretty ko'd haha. I Dunno what to make of this shit, he might be rolling with us again this weekend so hopefully shit'll be better this time..
 
Dude we all lost the magic time ago, nowadays E isn't OMGHUGME crazy loved up shit it used to be, nowadays it's just a mild good feeling and if you smoke with it (which we always do) you just chill out and get right headfucked...

if losing the magic was the case none of us would have came up....
 
It's definately possible to think yourself out of a roll....I hadn't rolled in over a month and was going to the club this one night....I had doubts about whether or not to drop; part of me kinda didn't feel like taking it, but I did anyways.

1 hour later, I felt a little bit like I was rolling and after about 20 more min, I felt totally normal. My eyes were saucers and I looked fucked up as hell, but I felt nothing at all. It was clearly effecting me, I was just totally unable to feel the effects.

I know these were good pills too as I tested them and had had them on multiple occasions before and rolled my nuts off.

I think your mindset plays a HUGE part in how the E is going to effect you. Shitty mindset, shitty roll....good mindset, hard roll.

BTW- I definately didn't lose the magic- I've had rolls that were very different every time. My hardest and most enjoyable roll happened recently off of 2 pills double-dropped. I've had these pills before too and sometimes had a really sweet roll, sometimes didn't....it all depended largely on how I felt going into it---not a matter of losing the magic.
 
You sure your friend isn't on SSRIs or some other kind of antidepressant?
 
VERY posible....but with 3 pills? ide say thats kinda hard to do.

Ive been with people who start the "i stoped rolling, im not rolling anymore" when in fact they completely are rolling tits. they talk them self's out of it.


i dunno bro
 
When i'm alone I can completly control my set & setting and so roll alot longer on 2 pills then when i'm with some people cause there is always one who will start to say im not rollin anymore I want to redose and yada yada and it often ends up takin a toll on my roll

of course placebo works in reverse
 
Ever noticed that when you hear the words come down you start to come down?

"You comin down yet?"

"Bloody am now."
 
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