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Can one maintain a euphoric mind for life?

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This question is completely hypothetical and is meant for general discussion and education.

Ignoring addiction and focusing on side effects, long term use, and tolerance. Can one find a chemical combo to maintain a permanent high for the rest of their life?

First of all lets call "addiction" a permanent transformation and ignore the effects of a regiment if you stop.
I don't see why a PEA/selegiline or perhaps some other stimulating/euphoric combo can't be used permanently.

Now as a person with ADHD I was already born with low PEA/dopamine levels with the cause not medically known. The way I see it is I am already taking chemicals I probably will be taking until I die.
I have been taking methylphenidate since I was eight. I'm now 24 and depend on the medication just to maintain chemistry levels to that of someone without ADHD. So with this medication I have already made a transformation.
However I think this can be pushed another step into a euphoric, permanent state of mind. The body is just one giant bowl of chemistry soup which can be manipulated to an incredible extent. Lets make some soup!

If we focus more on the chemistry, long term effects and tolerance rather than addiction why not find a permanent solution?

I'm not a chemist so I guess the main question is, can one maintain a mind of euphoria and stimulation for a lifetime without major side effects and tolerance? Even if you will die stopping the combo? If the answer is yes we should figure this out. So far methylphenidate is ok but is not cutting it. :D

Again this is hypothetical and meant for educational purposes.
 
You can't have one without the other.. In a perfect world, Yes. But sadly we don't live in a perfect world. Everything we do has a consequence, and trying to maintain a permahigh is close to impossible without receiving some consequences.

Our brains weren't meant to be constantly flooded with "feel good" chemicals. Doing so will just burn it out and in return cause a fuckload of problems.

In my experience, you can maintain a certain euphoria from just living life on lifes terms. Exercise, have a meaningful conversation with someone, eat some tasty foods. All these things can cause a certain euphoria that our brains will want more of, but when the time is right. Cause overindulgence of anything can be bad for you.
 
Swerlz said:
You can't have one without the other.. In a perfect world, Yes. But sadly we don't live in a perfect world. Everything we do has a consequence, and trying to maintain a permahigh is close to impossible without receiving some consequences.

Our brains weren't meant to be constantly flooded with "feel good" chemicals. Doing so will just burn it out and in return cause a fuckload of problems.

In my experience, you can maintain a certain euphoria from just living life on lifes terms. Exercise, have a meaningful conversation with someone, eat some tasty foods. All these things can cause a certain euphoria that our brains will want more of, but when the time is right. Cause overindulgence of anything can be bad for you.
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Your saying every action has an equal and opposite reaction, I agree but
drugs in general are a perfect example of this, they have side effects and consequences yet people take them because the side effects outweigh the benefits. People also find ways to deal with side effects by improving their diet and and general lifestyle. Its what works for the person.

I'm an example of someone that uses a stimulant long term with little consequence. Although I have a medical condition that stimulants balance out. I still think one could make certain changes to achieve a chemically euphoric state of mind. Which they can then use to better their lives in a more productive, feel good way. I'm talking about a complete transformation to achieve this.
 
Swerlz said:
In my experience, you can maintain a certain euphoria from just living life on lifes terms. Exercise, have a meaningful conversation with someone, eat some tasty foods. All these things can cause a certain euphoria that our brains will want more of, but when the time is right. Cause overindulgence of anything can be bad for you.
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pretty much this..............
 
Swerlz said:
In my experience, you can maintain a certain euphoria from just living life on lifes terms. Exercise, have a meaningful conversation with someone, eat some tasty foods. All these things can cause a certain euphoria that our brains will want more of, but when the time is right. Cause overindulgence of anything can be bad for you.
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This evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of what the OP meant by "euphoria" though. I.e., if we redefine euphoria along these lines it loses its value completely and is basically everywhere, which I don't accept.

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suessmayr said:
This evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of what the OP meant by "euphoria" though. I.e., if we redefine euphoria along these lines it loses its value completely and is basically everywhere, which I don't accept.

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Agreed, I for one enjoy a wholesome conversation, exercise, a good fucky fucky session and all other so called "euphoric" activities the same as anyone else... High or not.

The idea of this is not to enjoy life the way Martha stewart might. It is to "rewire" ones way of thinking and feeling in a positive way through drugs and chemicals. Then leading your life in a blissful state of mind.
 
enlightenment would be the best way. however, i still find this a very interesting question to think about. i don't think there is any logical/philosophical reason why you couldn't feel euphoric all the time if you got the chemistry right. some people would say its impossible because pleasure and pain are opposites and cant exist without one another. however, in response to that i would point to people who suffer from chronic pain or severe depression. if unpleasant, dysphoric feelings can persist indefinitely, i see no reason why pleasurable ones couldn't as well. yes, the novelty and excitement would wear off, but that wouldn't change the fact that you still felt better than you did before. sort of like becoming physically healthy after being sick, at first it would be incredible but then the novelty wears off but its still very much preferable to be healthy.

so i think its very possible but difficult. you would need ways of preventing tolerance from forming to the drugs.
 
The long and short of it is that no, unless you implant a device capable of providing stimulation to the pleasure center of the brain there will be no way to be euphoric forever. Even doing this would likely prove unsustainable.

The main reason for this is a phenomenon referred to as receptor trafficking. Its essentially basic biology, the body will always try to return to a homeostatic state and will increase or decrease available receptors and will up and down regulate responses as well to this end.

At any rate, this isn't really Other Drugs material, so I'm going to go ahead and close it. Please PM me if you'd like it re-opened or moved to another forum.
 
you can run a CPU at stock speeds for decades, if you overclock it you shorten its life.
 
^ Not the core 2 duos. All the 65 nm ones were manufactured exactly the same. The only differences were some had their multipliers lowered. So if you had a mobo that could handle higher FSB speeds...there was no point for paying for an E6600 over the X6800.

Sorry, had to point out that their is an exception to this.
 
To find a lot of discussion about maintaining lifelong euphoria, see the site www.hedweb.com . I'm not saying that I take everything on that site seriously myself, but I read it for the first time over 10 years ago and I've been impressed by it ever since.
 
you could always make yourself miserable and trick yourself into think you're happy
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
But are the monks "euphoric" 24/7?
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Good point I suppose, although I admit that most of my opinions of monks are based on stereotypes and common knowledge. I can only speculate how they feel on a constant basis. I guess the term euphoria would have to be relative, like, a break in the monotony of life, and an unnatural feeling of splendor or happiness or whatever you would call it. So I guess being constantly euphoric is not really possible. I would more accurately say that monks are all in all more content with their lives and their place in the universe than the average person is.
 
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