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Opioids Can I inject Dihydrocodeine?
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rachamim
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They can be but should not be, take as directed. Though it does not have the metabolic ceiling that codeine does it does posses the same detrimental side effects...such as pulmonary edema upon injection.
Yeah I definitely would not recommend shooting these pills. As stated before, it can cause pulmonary edema which is something you dont want. Pop em orally, there isn't a ceiling effect so there is no need to use such a risky ROA. Be safe
edit: I don't know about IM, but I think you can get Pyomyositis if not administered correctly
edit: I don't know about IM, but I think you can get Pyomyositis if not administered correctly
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BaybeX
Bluelighter
NO!
No, no, no, no..
Other than the ridiculous, perhaps life-threatening histamine reaction it would produce (*I was thinking Codeine.. but it may still produce a strong histamine reaction).. you are also at HIGH risk of infection and possibly losing a limb when IMing ANY pill or any solution not in a vial MADE for IMing.
DO NOT DO THIS.
No, no, no, no..
Other than the ridiculous, perhaps life-threatening histamine reaction it would produce (*I was thinking Codeine.. but it may still produce a strong histamine reaction).. you are also at HIGH risk of infection and possibly losing a limb when IMing ANY pill or any solution not in a vial MADE for IMing.
DO NOT DO THIS.
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A legitimate medical study would be administering it in an injectible form. Not a pill.
I really don't have an opinion on whether it will work. I don't recommend injecting any pill. Especially a muscle injection. Asking for trouble.
my bad, most of them studys were very old. Obviously we know more now then we did then. I did see a couple studies that used deep subcutaneous.
Well, I guess i was just trying to avoid withdrawal. I have a 75mg a day dilaudid habit,and am out of pills till morning. I have some oxazepam and df118's. i guess ill plug it and take some benzo's. Safer.........
Well, I guess i was just trying to avoid withdrawal. I have a 75mg a day dilaudid habit,and am out of pills till morning. I have some oxazepam and df118's. i guess ill plug it and take some benzo's. Safer.........
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BaybeX
Bluelighter
^Yes, maybe. But they are STILL using sterile vial meant for injection, not pills.
BaybeX
Bluelighter
No, I don't think badly of anyone that shoots anything..
But shooting pills like Codeine, DHC, Hydrocodone, Benzos, etc.. pills that are extremely dangerous to be shot... is a stupid idea.
And DO NOT IM PILLS. Ever.
Micron or not.
rachamim
Bluelighter
I would agree with the last poster that an person whould always use as directed but the central mindset behind Harm Reduction is that people are going to use regardless of advice about health. In that vein (no pun intended, sure hahah) IF there were no detrimental effects like edema, etc, it would be OK to advise HOW to minimise the dangers. With THIS substance and ROA (route of administration) there is no "safe" way.
With psychoaactives there is always going to be subjectivity (1 person loves the substance, another hates it) BUT with this substance I have honestly never heard a negative thing as far as its psychoactive effects.
In Cambodia the 60 mg extended release is over the counter and I used it to wean myself off of a massive #4 habit (Heroin #4). I did this by using as directed though I do admit to trying to manipulate the matrix on the tablets so as to avoid the extended release feature.
However, I found much to my satisfaction that it was totally unneccessary, dihydrocodeinone is a wonderful substance. Europeans using it in Opioid Substitution Therapy (Think: MMT/Methadone Maintenance) are lucky indeed.
I bother saying all this so as to let you know, taking as directed is not always a disappointing venture.
With psychoaactives there is always going to be subjectivity (1 person loves the substance, another hates it) BUT with this substance I have honestly never heard a negative thing as far as its psychoactive effects.
In Cambodia the 60 mg extended release is over the counter and I used it to wean myself off of a massive #4 habit (Heroin #4). I did this by using as directed though I do admit to trying to manipulate the matrix on the tablets so as to avoid the extended release feature.
However, I found much to my satisfaction that it was totally unneccessary, dihydrocodeinone is a wonderful substance. Europeans using it in Opioid Substitution Therapy (Think: MMT/Methadone Maintenance) are lucky indeed.
I bother saying all this so as to let you know, taking as directed is not always a disappointing venture.
Okay, we can let this thread sink to the bottom of the list. I just picked up my dilaudid tabs and did a big 30mg hit, with a secondary wash, and I feel greaaaaaaat.
Man, I can't believe I was actually going to do that. I seen all these studys that were saying they were using dihydrocodeine subcutaneous and intramuscular, so I said "what the hell?" I think it probably can be done, as I read quite a bit last night on the subject and many central eastern countries do give dihydrocodeine via injection, just not I.V. Im pretty sure if dilaudid can be crushed filtered microscopically, and injected, so could this. They are pure tablets and they didn't contain some of the dangerous inactives that even oxycontin talets do. But there still was a few. I dont really know why other countries would use this drug for in jection when their are other things like hydromorphone, diamorphine, and morphine injections. I have never tried morphine, but obviously Im experienced with hydomorphone injecting, and just 6 weeks ago I purchased some 30mg diamorphine amps online. They were the green label ones from the UK. I wasn't too impressed.
Anyways, all in all, I didn't do it, and Im glad I waited it out until i got my Dilaudid. I don't recommend anyone do this, as it could be very dangerous to your health, and thanks for all of the replies. This topic sparked quite a bit of conversation for the short time it was posted. Dihydrocodeine is so easy to get a hold of online, I think it would be a curse if someone figured out how to extract it properly and clean it up good enough for injection.
EDIT: Just wanted to add, I ended up taking three 30mg IR tabs of teva dihydrocodeine and two 30mg serax (oxazepam) and I fel t fine, and my withdrawal symptoms subsided. So I can see this drug is a god send for opiate withdrawal. I have a 60-80(usually 75mg) daily hydromorphone habit, and for a measly 90mgs of dihydrocodeine plugged, Im impressed. I have 6 or 7 boxes of 100 of these tabs and I think I'll cherish them a little more now. Looks like I wont be going through withdrawal for a while
Stay safe everyone.
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Man, I can't believe I was actually going to do that. I seen all these studys that were saying they were using dihydrocodeine subcutaneous and intramuscular, so I said "what the hell?" I think it probably can be done, as I read quite a bit last night on the subject and many central eastern countries do give dihydrocodeine via injection, just not I.V. Im pretty sure if dilaudid can be crushed filtered microscopically, and injected, so could this. They are pure tablets and they didn't contain some of the dangerous inactives that even oxycontin talets do. But there still was a few. I dont really know why other countries would use this drug for in jection when their are other things like hydromorphone, diamorphine, and morphine injections. I have never tried morphine, but obviously Im experienced with hydomorphone injecting, and just 6 weeks ago I purchased some 30mg diamorphine amps online. They were the green label ones from the UK. I wasn't too impressed.
Anyways, all in all, I didn't do it, and Im glad I waited it out until i got my Dilaudid. I don't recommend anyone do this, as it could be very dangerous to your health, and thanks for all of the replies. This topic sparked quite a bit of conversation for the short time it was posted. Dihydrocodeine is so easy to get a hold of online, I think it would be a curse if someone figured out how to extract it properly and clean it up good enough for injection.
EDIT: Just wanted to add, I ended up taking three 30mg IR tabs of teva dihydrocodeine and two 30mg serax (oxazepam) and I fel t fine, and my withdrawal symptoms subsided. So I can see this drug is a god send for opiate withdrawal. I have a 60-80(usually 75mg) daily hydromorphone habit, and for a measly 90mgs of dihydrocodeine plugged, Im impressed. I have 6 or 7 boxes of 100 of these tabs and I think I'll cherish them a little more now. Looks like I wont be going through withdrawal for a while
Stay safe everyone.
D
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Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Tips for IM use... when IV use is safer.
While this is the advice I give out to people, unfortunately all do not follow it. I have heard of people IMing pills, after micron filtering. They apparently have been doing it for a while and are still OK from what I know (from what they know too?) - I am not breaking confidences, I just think from a harm reduction stand point, it should be said that the only situation you could safely IM a pill, is if you...
1) researched every last inactive ingredient and you are sure about the manufacturer - different manufacturers sometimes have different inactive ingredients.
2) make sure that they are insoluble in water or that the particles are larger than the pores of the micron filters you are going to be using.
From the information I have collected, I can not ascertain that Suboxone's inactive ingredients will be 100% removed with micron filtering; the coloring agent, (possibly the flavoring agent too? - unsure, have yet to "taste" my solution orally speaking), and possibly other inactive ingredients which may or may not be fully or partially filtered out by a 0.22um micron filter. A 0.1um micron filter would be ideal, and I know no vendors for them.
By all means, please IV Suboxone over IMing it. Please plug, snort, or sublingually use (or even 6/7's method - modulation on the sublingual ROA) Suboxone over IM. I strongly urge everyone to not IM it and to use any other ROA that is applicable to Suboxone.
3) You need sterile surfaces for the post micron filtering process - micron filtering directly into a vial by attaching a new needle tip to the male end of the micron filter is ideal.
4) There is no verification that your IM solution is 100% safe, unless you know for certain that all the inactive particles have been filtered out. If I was seriously considering IMing anything that comes from a pill (I really would never do this) - I would create a solution, and then analyze it in a lab to be 100% sure that there are no inactive ingredients, that it is completely clear, and 100% safe to use like an ampule, if I don't hit any blood vessels/nerves/bone when injecting (if you have a relatively correct needle gauge and length, and know where your muscles are in your body, IMing should be a piece of cake compared to IVing).
5) * = When IMing...
* ALWAYS be sure you are in the muscle and NOT in an artery by pulling the plunger back to see if you are in a vein or artery. If you are, you will see BLOOD. If you are in an artery, the plunger might shoot itself back.
* ALWAYS see that there is AIR = NO blood coming into the syringe when you are pulling the plunger back after entering the epidermis then muscle.
* ALWAYS use one alcohol pad in a "back and forth" direction, vigorously. It is also ideal to wash the area with soap and lukewarm water thoroughly, and to rinse off thoroughly, before using the first alcohol pad. Then, use a second alcohol pad in a "circular" or "spiral" motion starting from a center point, working your way to the outer ring of your IM target.
* ALWAYS push the plunger in SLOWLY. When using 20 to 50 units, you may want to take 30 seconds to 1 or 2 minutes to push in the contents of the syringe, depending on how you are doing.
You will feel a slight sensation, it's hard to describe. It will not be SEVERELY painful, and should not irritate your muscle nor alarm you. I have only IM'd two drugs, but a handful of times with one while only twice with the other. They were both 100% pure and mixed with sterile water.
* ALWAYS stop pushing the plunger in if you feel any extreme pain/alarming sensations. I always put a clean, sterile bandaid on after using a clean, sterile cotton ball or dry-ish alcohol pad to stop any bleeding or leaking out of fluid.
Another tip... I notice with the "larger" needle gauges (27, for instance) - some of the shot may leak out - you either have to take it out slower or leave it in longer, or you should use less water, and/or use a smaller gauge (31 will work for IMing, your muscles don't roll
).
If you want to use a larger gauge to IM with, and it presents no feasible problems for you, by all means go for it. I have heard negative experiences with scarring from large gauges, so I would stick to 27G and larger for IM use. Feasibly, I would prefer not to go larger than a 30G for IM use to be honest.
For all intensive purposes, please only IM pure, sterile drugs. Ideally if there is any question to the sterility (but not the purity) and you have your heart set on IMing it, pass it through a 0.22um micron filter.
If there is any questions about the sterility, and you don't micron filter, it is always safer to IV. I would actually encourage it.
I have IM'd many times without micron filtering (though I believe the sterility to be there, I know the purity is) and I consider myself lucky, I don't plan on IMing again without micron filtering, though I don't have it in my heart to waste anything being caught in the micron filter, I believe the next IM Ketamine experience I will have will be from an ampule, I'm not that desperate to risk it again.
While this is the advice I give out to people, unfortunately all do not follow it. I have heard of people IMing pills, after micron filtering. They apparently have been doing it for a while and are still OK from what I know (from what they know too?) - I am not breaking confidences, I just think from a harm reduction stand point, it should be said that the only situation you could safely IM a pill, is if you...
1) researched every last inactive ingredient and you are sure about the manufacturer - different manufacturers sometimes have different inactive ingredients.
2) make sure that they are insoluble in water or that the particles are larger than the pores of the micron filters you are going to be using.
From the information I have collected, I can not ascertain that Suboxone's inactive ingredients will be 100% removed with micron filtering; the coloring agent, (possibly the flavoring agent too? - unsure, have yet to "taste" my solution orally speaking), and possibly other inactive ingredients which may or may not be fully or partially filtered out by a 0.22um micron filter. A 0.1um micron filter would be ideal, and I know no vendors for them.
By all means, please IV Suboxone over IMing it. Please plug, snort, or sublingually use (or even 6/7's method - modulation on the sublingual ROA) Suboxone over IM. I strongly urge everyone to not IM it and to use any other ROA that is applicable to Suboxone.
3) You need sterile surfaces for the post micron filtering process - micron filtering directly into a vial by attaching a new needle tip to the male end of the micron filter is ideal.
4) There is no verification that your IM solution is 100% safe, unless you know for certain that all the inactive particles have been filtered out. If I was seriously considering IMing anything that comes from a pill (I really would never do this) - I would create a solution, and then analyze it in a lab to be 100% sure that there are no inactive ingredients, that it is completely clear, and 100% safe to use like an ampule, if I don't hit any blood vessels/nerves/bone when injecting (if you have a relatively correct needle gauge and length, and know where your muscles are in your body, IMing should be a piece of cake compared to IVing).
5) * = When IMing...
* ALWAYS be sure you are in the muscle and NOT in an artery by pulling the plunger back to see if you are in a vein or artery. If you are, you will see BLOOD. If you are in an artery, the plunger might shoot itself back.
* ALWAYS see that there is AIR = NO blood coming into the syringe when you are pulling the plunger back after entering the epidermis then muscle.
* ALWAYS use one alcohol pad in a "back and forth" direction, vigorously. It is also ideal to wash the area with soap and lukewarm water thoroughly, and to rinse off thoroughly, before using the first alcohol pad. Then, use a second alcohol pad in a "circular" or "spiral" motion starting from a center point, working your way to the outer ring of your IM target.
* ALWAYS push the plunger in SLOWLY. When using 20 to 50 units, you may want to take 30 seconds to 1 or 2 minutes to push in the contents of the syringe, depending on how you are doing.
You will feel a slight sensation, it's hard to describe. It will not be SEVERELY painful, and should not irritate your muscle nor alarm you. I have only IM'd two drugs, but a handful of times with one while only twice with the other. They were both 100% pure and mixed with sterile water.
* ALWAYS stop pushing the plunger in if you feel any extreme pain/alarming sensations. I always put a clean, sterile bandaid on after using a clean, sterile cotton ball or dry-ish alcohol pad to stop any bleeding or leaking out of fluid.
Another tip... I notice with the "larger" needle gauges (27, for instance) - some of the shot may leak out - you either have to take it out slower or leave it in longer, or you should use less water, and/or use a smaller gauge (31 will work for IMing, your muscles don't roll
). If you want to use a larger gauge to IM with, and it presents no feasible problems for you, by all means go for it. I have heard negative experiences with scarring from large gauges, so I would stick to 27G and larger for IM use. Feasibly, I would prefer not to go larger than a 30G for IM use to be honest.
For all intensive purposes, please only IM pure, sterile drugs. Ideally if there is any question to the sterility (but not the purity) and you have your heart set on IMing it, pass it through a 0.22um micron filter.
If there is any questions about the sterility, and you don't micron filter, it is always safer to IV. I would actually encourage it.
I have IM'd many times without micron filtering (though I believe the sterility to be there, I know the purity is) and I consider myself lucky, I don't plan on IMing again without micron filtering, though I don't have it in my heart to waste anything being caught in the micron filter, I believe the next IM Ketamine experience I will have will be from an ampule, I'm not that desperate to risk it again.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I think I adequately explained why you should not IM pills, if you have any questions, please PM me or ask here.
shannon 1984
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so i have read this thread and was very confused as i don't no what IM'ing could you please clear it up for me by telling me what it means thank you
iceicebaby
Bluelighter
Yeah, I won't shoot Ketamine unless its from a sterile, never used ampule either :D
Morphoid
Bluelighter
IM = Intramuscular
It is a ROA that is commonly used in the medical setting but not as commonly in the recreational arena, as sublimely explained by Captain.H.
megawoof
Bluelighter
i would deffo say no if they are pills ive had the dihydrocodiene ampoules which are 1ml=50mg thats they only way i would inject it not with the pills
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