Opioids Can I eliminate ALL withdrawals by tapering??

[johnloperamide]

So the past 3 weeks or so I've been taking poppy seed tea almost all the time and I had to go about 36 hours without taking any as I was waiting for my order to get delivered and I started experiencing withdrawals, runny nose, feeling like I have a cold, that annoying thigh pain and overall feeling of shittiness.. Now about a year ago I took hydro daily for about 2 months and had some pretty bad withdrawals that lasted 7,8 days and I promised myself I would never go trough that again...

Well I'm here again, last time the psychological part was the hardest because I was going through a rough time and also because I absolutely love hydro but with PST I don't love it nearly as much... With hydro I remember that after only 24 hours of not taking any I'd get massively depressed and felt I had no reason to live but with this I haven't felt that, just the physical shit...

So anyway.. I've decided it's gone too far and I'm going to stop so I want to use the seeds I have now for tapering off... Do you think I could eliminate all withdrawals?? I never got to high doses of tea anyway, about 350 grams or so I'd take.. I do know if I quit cold turkey I'll be fine in 3,4 days but I'd love to avoid that simply because as well all know it fucking sucks... Thank you.

These past 4 months I had been drinking a lot and quit that which was super easy since I hate alcohol, but well this is harder but I want to be drug free, I've had enough and I have to stop.

 

[d1ahp]

You will minimize the withdrawal symptoms, but you won't eliminate them

PST withdrawals last longer than 3-4 days. Honestly, it takes about 2 weeks before feeling more or less ok physically due to their long half life.

Poopy Seeds are hard to taper with because potency varies batch to batch. It is doable if you're getting them from the same place and they're consistent in appearance.

 

[Kid Amine]

Yes, you can do this. Key is taper slowly, (S---L----O----W------L-------Y!!!!) and do not jump off until you are at *really* low dose. Im not that familiar with PST, but I know that methdaone and suboxone I was on 250mcg (microgram) doses when I stopped, and I had no wihdrawal symptoms.

 

[johnloperamide]

You will minimize the withdrawal symptoms, but you won't eliminate them

PST withdrawals last longer than 3-4 days. Honestly, it takes about 2 weeks before feeling more or less ok physically due to their long half life.

Poopy Seeds are hard to taper with because potency varies batch to batch. It is doable if you're getting them from the same place and they're consistent in appearance.

I don't mean to be rude but every time I see any of your responses they seem to be the most pessimistic responses possible...

Now on respect to my question... Before starting taking PST 3 weeks ago I was completely clean from all opiates for a year so during these 3 weeks I did stop several times while I waited for shipments to arrive and today was the first time I experienced withdrawals and they were really mild, compared to what I remember from hydro last year... I did hear that withdrawals from PST suck ass but I KNOW it will NOT take 2 weeks, I know my body and I'd be fine fast and then I'm staying off this shit cause it's fucking dangerous

 

[johnloperamide]

Yes, you can do this. Key is taper slowly, (S---L----O----W------L-------Y!!!!) and do not jump off until you are at *really* low dose. Im not that familiar with PST, but I know that methdaone and suboxone I was on 250mcg (microgram) doses when I stopped, and I had no wihdrawal symptoms.

Thank you for the hope!... I've done so little of it really that I feel like by just taking 200, 180, 150, 130, 100 and down to zero something like that, that by doing that I should be fine and if I run out of the 5lbs that I have I'll just have to go cold turkey cause I'm never buying this crap again

I might actually start lower than that.. like at 150 g and work my way down...

 

[d1ahp]

I'm sorry that you feel that way, I try to be unbiased and factual in my responses.

As for the second part of your post...
Good luck to you then. If you have a consistent PST use, it takes about 24-36 hours for withdrawals to even start. They do start out gradual and slowly every symptom tacks on. I've been using seeds consistently for the last 3 years, it's my DOC since I don't feel like scoring H or Oxy anymore. Maybe the seeds that you get are low in potency and your withdrawals really are non-existent, that's a good thing. I'll take a hydro withdrawal over a PST withdrawal any day of the week. Hydro withdrawals come on quick and last next to nothing, PST withdrawals lingers for a while.

 

[johnloperamide]

I'm sorry that you feel that way, I try to be unbiased and factual in my responses.

As for the second part of your post...
Good luck to you then. If you have a consistent PST use, it takes about 24-36 hours for withdrawals to even start. They do start out gradual and slowly every symptom tacks on. I've been using seeds consistently for the last 3 years, it's my DOC since I don't feel like scoring H or Oxy anymore. Maybe the seeds that you get are low in potency and your withdrawals really are non-existent, that's a good thing. I'll take a hydro withdrawal over a PST withdrawal any day of the week. Hydro withdrawals come on quick and last next to nothing, PST withdrawals lingers for a while.

I know it's not simple, especially for you since you've been taking that for 3 years but why don't you stop???.. I mean you must get some withdrawals sometimes and it's hell.. it simply makes taking drugs not worth it... I don't ever want to go through withdrawals again just like I never want to get a hangover again so I will not drink again (excessively, once upon a time I used to drink a few beers only) and I will not use this shit anymore

 

[noone1]

2 weeks? No way. Maybe a light residual feeling like shit feeling but all the physical discomfort is done after a week (okay and about 3 days after you last used I'll grant you that)

I've never gone for tapering especially with PST it just seems to difficult to gauge how much you must take.

Better to rip the band aid off as fast as you can and go through with it. It's just a really bad flu. Take loperamide and NSAID to help. I go through withdrawal every week.

 

[d1ahp]

2 weeks? No way. Maybe a light residual feeling like shit feeling but all the physical discomfort is done after a week (okay and about 3 days after you last used I'll grant you that)

I've never gone for tapering especially with PST it just seems to difficult to gauge how much you must take.

Better to rip the band aid off as fast as you can and go through with it. It's just a really bad flu. Take loperamide and NSAID to help. I go through withdrawal every week.

I'm not the only to report ridiculously long WD periods with PST. The half life of the PST is up there with Suboxone/Methadone. Perhaps even longer than that of Methadone. So if one was to consistently use truly potent seeds for a prolonged period of time, it'd only make sense for withdrawals to be so long and drawn out.

I think the issue here is one of potency which leads to conflicting reports. I can see people having shorter withdrawals because most seeds you can buy online are washed and miss a lot of alkaloids. That makes them worthless to someone like me but jackpot for someone with a low tolerance. Which I'd love to have my beginner tolerance back to be able to get off on seeds other than the sources I have to go through now to make sure the strain is right and they're unwashed to be able to enjoy myself.

A lot of people pick up PST because they think it's a weak opiate that they can put down any time. Maybe that is the case for those who get weaker seeds. But for those like me, junkies, who keep digging until they find the best seeds possible that is not the case. I can put away 200mg of Oxy in a day, but I'd rather have my seeds. I'm not bragging or trying to be negative, I'm trying to warn people.

 

[noone1]

I'm not the only to report ridiculously long WD periods with PST. The half life of the PST is up there with Suboxone/Methadone. Perhaps even longer than that of Methadone. So if one was to consistently use truly potent seeds for a prolonged period of time, it'd only make sense for withdrawals to be so long and drawn out.

I think the issue here is one of potency which leads to conflicting reports. I can see people having shorter withdrawals because most seeds you can buy online are washed and miss a lot of alkaloids. That makes them worthless to someone like me but jackpot for someone with a low tolerance. Which I'd love to have my beginner tolerance back to be able to get off on seeds other than the sources I have to go through now to make sure the strain is right and they're unwashed to be able to enjoy myself.

A lot of people pick up PST because they think it's a weak opiate that they can put down any time. Maybe that is the case for those who get weaker seeds. But for those like me, junkies, who keep digging until they find the best seeds possible that is not the case. I can put away 200mg of Oxy in a day, but I'd rather have my seeds. I'm not bragging or trying to be negative, I'm trying to warn people.

I was addicted for 3 straight years and at the end my use was 6 pounds daily for a year and I can assure you these where strong seeds, I don't remember the withdrawal taking more than a week. Placebo might be at play. I do remember feeling like shit for up to a month afterwards with horrible depression and anxiety but the traditional "flu like symptoms" of withdrawal where over in a week.

 

[d1ahp]

The flu like symptoms mostly go away by day 5 for me as well, but I'll still be sneezing, my heart will be thumping, I'll still have RLS, I'll be sweating one minute then feeling cold the next and I will have that same depression you get when you're smack dab in the middle of the worst of the physical symptoms. Honestly I don't start feeling truly better physically until I'm past day 8-10.

 

[Newin419]

Speaking from experience myself, tapering is the way to go. Last time I jumped off I was using less than 5mg per day for three days. Physical WDs were obviously minimal, however the mental withdrawals were the hardest to deal with. I took a long break after that until I didn't care about using anymore before using again. Now I keep it casual, and that is the best of both worlds. Tapering takes discipline, as does using it casually.