Calea zacatechichi and dmt

[SATripper]

I am hoping to get some DMT soon, I have never tried it before, and I heard that you can quickly forget the details of your experience.
I do have some Calea zacatechichi on hand, is it effective to smoke with the DMT to help with the 'visions', or would a calea joint or tea work better?

 

[<<ellisd>>]

Maybe as an additive in Changa

 

[sekio]

I have heard of using Calea in changa mixes, but I think the DMT would be too overpowering to notice. Plus, calea isn't the nicest tasting herb.

 

[Solipsis]

IIRC, I can second that last bit, I think it sucked to smoke.

Before trying to adjust the experience, you'd probably be best off to just try it yourself first. DMT only - I recommend
teks involving forms of metal sponges (fume those oils out first that are on it!) - check this out though:
https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=2588

Anyway alternatively you can use other random carrier herbs to smoke DMT from such as damiana. With changa the
mixture of herbs is usually significantly powerfully synergistic to call it a whole different animal. Mostly MAO inhibitors
draw out the experience which is also more or less the answer to your question.

The problem with remembering the DMT trip is that it is so dense and compressed, just too much for your memory
and attention to cope with. That produces several issues, the astonishment can be considered a positive quality but
it also makes the trip less useful and more all over the place. More dilation let's you take a second to take it in better
and interact a little.
I think you can then at least have enough time to really witness it rather than flash by.

4-AcO-DMT reminded me of dilated drawn out DMT. It also had advantages because of that. Ayahuasca / pharmahuasca
sound like they provide the same advantages although they are all qualitatively different from each other. And jungle
spice as well as. Probably more comparable to changa.

 

[SATripper]

Thanks for the info, the reason I thought of the Calea is because I have heard its great to have as a tea before sleeping to remember your dreams more vividly, I assumed that would apply with dmt.
I think the best thing to do would be to experience dmt first, before trying any other mixes with it....so, try it alone, for the full dmt experience.
@Solipsis thanks for the link, thats a very nice site

 

[yardbirdrc]

Plus, calea isn't the nicest tasting herb

Man, what am I missing about that? I've heard people say that about Calea so many times but somehow I love the way it tastes. It's spicy and kind of floral but it also has a little bit of bitterness to it but its not overpowering. It definitely tastes better than Salvia, at least . I used it in several changa blends and they were all just as smokeable as any. I didn't notice any increased trip recall though. I think there are large parts of the DMT experience that just simply can't even be fully fathomed while they're happening, let alone remembered, Calea or not. It's not an issue of forgetting the trip so much as the trip being so beyond word and thought that you can't properly commit it to memory.