Cacti/Mescaline: Is it worth the trouble?

[Symmetrical Daze]

I realize this is a somewhat basic question, but one I've been contemplating and am looking for experienced answers.

I have access to 2C-E and 2C-I, both of which I enjoy in their own separate unique ways. I have read some compare mescaline to these; what is your opinion on which 2c is most similar, and how similar is it?

I am not interested in trying mescaline just to try it, to say I tried it or for a trip similar to what I could get with a 2C. I realize there is a psychological drive for some people to label it as special, because, among other things it is "natural" and illegal.

That being said, is it worth it for me to try, for a unique experience that 2Cs cannot give? I hate nausea, and get some usually just on comeups of RCs of both kinds, tryptamines included. I realize I may be uncomfortable with the nausea I get from taking (San Pedro most likely, will probably try to extract it down somewhat) mescaline.

For those who think 4-aco-dmt isn't good because mushrooms are natural, I'm not interested in your reply. Thankfully I've seen BL get much more scientific over the years (and less psuedoscientific "natural is better" type stuff); and it pleases me to be apart of the community

If you've done a 2C-x and mescaline, please compare them.

 

[Feste]

If you've done a 2C-x and mescaline, please compare them.

The 2cs are like mescaline's inferior little brothers.

It has nothing to do with being illegal (the 2cs are illegal here anyway, whilst mescaline has legal options) or natural, since I don't buy into the natural vs. synthetic thing at all.

Better euphoria, much less bodyload, lovely visuals, comforting, humbling. Lovely stuff.

Just for the sake of things, I've done 2c-b, 2c-bFLY (ok, not really a 2c), 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-t-7 & 2c-t-2.

Out of those I think 2c-b is the only worthwhile one.

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

That is a reply which does start to inspire me towards obtaining San Pedro.

I also like 2c-b, but 2c-i feels identical besides about an hour of duration.

I was kind of surprised you said there is less body load with mescaline; reading reports it seems many are troubled by nausea/vomiting.

Is it similar to 2c-b to you?

 

[Feste]

I've never had bodyload with mescaline, the friends I've done it with never mentioned having problems on it - & one always throws up on mushrooms.

It's hard to say really, there's a few things that are similar, but they're totally different in others. The euphoria & warmth & sense of 'everything is ok' is much better & deeper with mescaline. 2c-b is more a light-hearted club/bar drug imo.

I also get an amazing week long after glow on mesc.

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

In what form did you ingest it? Extract, pure alkaloid extract, raw cacti, drink? I'm leaning towards a rough extract; pure extract could get me in trouble.

 

[Feste]

I've done alcohol extractions, made tea, ate the dried chips & ate the chips with an MAOI (probably a bad idea that last one).

I'd go for the alcohol extraction personally.

 

[surf.shaman]

even pure synthetic mescaline makes people puke...

 

[surf.shaman]

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I'd go for the alcohol extraction personally.

NOT this. mescaline is not very soluble in alcohol...

 

[mr.mackey]

Since when is mescaline "not very soluble in alcohol" ?


Ive done mescaline a couple of times and I found my alcohol extracts to be just as effective as doing a full blown a/b extraction (with both xylene and limonene) just much more nauseating and its a wee bit harder to measure dose.

Why do you think the rough extract will be better? in what way will having a more pure product get you in trouble, seeing as soon as you ingest cacti in any way it becomes illegal.

That said, yes, mescaline is worthwhile IMHO. Ive done 2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-I, and 2C-T-2 and I'd first and foremost say mescaline is not very much like any of them for me, but if I had to, I would compare it to 2C-E. For me they both have a "depth" to them that left quite a positive impression on me.

As far as the whole "worth the trouble" business, I think it depends more on who you are, and what your looking for in a psychedelic drug.

 

[PepperSocks]

Yes it's worth it.

Mescaline is practically in everyone's top 5 list including my own. Probably the top spot.

The only 2C that's ever come close to the state for me would be 2C-T-2.

 

[THCDunc]

Mescaline is in my opinion one the best drugs i've ever had the pleasure of trying. Eating san pedro does cause nausea but for most people it's the actual cactus (or the other active chemicals in it) that causes the nausea and bodyload, I always used to get nasty bodyload after ingestion which would disappear after 2-3 hours but when I tried extract the bodyload was greatly reduced.

In terms of effects I found it on par with 2C-E in terms of visuals. It had the most amazing clear euphoric headspace unlike anything i've experienced before, it was extremely powerful but not overwhelming and very enjoyable. I strongly urge you to try it.

 

[ikkyu]

I have some cacti coming my way for my first trial with this material (can't believe I'm only now getting around to trying this one!), and the responses in this thread have me all giddy and excited.

 

[surf.shaman]

Since when is mescaline "not very soluble in alcohol" ?

i have read a few reports of bad results from alcohol extractions.

also read this:

Mescaline hydrochloride
Molecular weight: 247.72 (Sigma Aldrich)
Empirical Formula (Hill Notation): C11H17NO3 • HCl (Sigma Aldrich)
CAS Number: 832-92-8
Appearance: colorless crystals, needles
Melting point: 184°C
Moderately soluble in: water, alcohol (Merck Index), methanol (at least 1.0 mg/ml, source Sigma Aldrich solution)
Insoluble in: practically insoluble in toluene and acetone, insoluble in isopropyl alcohol, diethyl ether, and d-limonene***
LD50: i.p. rats 132 mg/kg
Storage temperature: 2-8°C (Sigma Aldrich)
Isolation: when mescaline hydrochloride is extracted from San Pedro, Achuma, or Peruvian torch, it can be isolated from the other alkaloids by washing it in IPA or acetone (use 10 ml per gram of alkaloids, and wash 2-3 times). The non-mescaline alkaloids dissolve in the IPA or acetate, while the mescaline hydrochloride does not. Note that for the cleanest results use about 2 washes of acetone, and then 2 washes with IPA.


with the assumption that the mescaline in the cactus itself is in fact mescaline HCL or some similar salt

 

[surf.shaman]

I have some cacti coming my way for my first trial with this material (can't believe I'm only now getting around to trying this one!), and the responses in this thread have me all giddy and excited.

its well worth it.

 

[Xtc <3]

Yeah I second that, only done it once but it was an absolutely beautiful trip that was nothing like any of the 2C's I've tried ( 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-P and 2C-T-7).

Was pretty damn expensive though, ended up buying and comsuming 40g of dehydrated peruvian torch for £20. Cant really put a price on an experience like that though, it was definately worth it. Eating the cactus is really difficult though, its easily the most uncomfortable thing I could imagine eating.

I'm really gonna have to look into a cheaper source and do an extraction as I would love to sample it again, same goes for the DMT extraction as well, this thread has inspired me to look into it.. Cheers

And yeah Mescaline would be in my top 5 also, along with MDMA, Mushrooms, Ketamine and 2C-B

 

[Ismene]

I have some cacti coming my way for my first trial with this material (can't believe I'm only now getting around to trying this one!), and the responses in this thread have me all giddy and excited.

Good luck with trying to drink cactus snot tea. It's up there with getting waterboarded as far as fun goes. Usually just a sip and I'm gipping and vomiting the stuff back up as fast as I swallowed it.

I'd always go for an a/b extraction or 69Rons new d-limonene tek. Extracted mescaline is a beautiful experience with very little, if any, nausea. Drinking or eating cactus is hell on earth.

When you drop the cactus into some water see how it expands to 4 or 5 times it's original size. Now imagine that happening in your gut.

 

[Amberthefrog]

I've tripped on both mescaline and 2c-b thrice respectively. Gone to considerably higher relative doses with 2c-b, and because of this my best phenylethylamine trip was indeed on 2c-b. At a roughly equivalent strength rip however, I prefer mescaline (which makes me pretty certain that when I get around to a full strength mescaline trip, it will be right up there with mushrooms - hell, dare I imagine even better?).

When I've eaten San Pedro and P. Torch, it's involved chewing down 12-16g of dried cactus, this is nasty unfortunately and I definitely recommend extracting it as much as possible. People don' exaggerate when they say mescaline is the worse taste in the world.

On mescaline I get a bit of an unpleasant bodyload for the first couple of hours, the last two times I've tripped it's just gradually vanished over, say half an hour after that point. The first time I threw up at about 2 hours, after which my body felt amazing. On 2c-b there is always something slightly up with my body throughout the experience.

Now the actual trip; 2c-b makes me feel incredible, makes music sound incredible, makes my vision explode with rainbow mosaics and produces a rushing sensation that makes MDMA seem farcical. The mental aspect of the trip is good but there is always a slightly metallic, scatty edge to it.

The body high mescaline gives me is simply divine, Anne Shulgin put's it very well when she says her body is 'engorged with pure pure light particles' or something along those lines. Mescaline is also the most easy ride in terms of mental psychedelia for me, you get a lo of stuff going on but it all knits together well in a very comfortable way. Finally, as someone's already mentioned the mescaline afterglow is truly blissful.

2c-b is a wonderful substance but there's something overwhelmingly positive and friendly about the mescaline experience for me. There are similarities between them but they are VERY different trips.

 

[Amberthefrog]

I've tripped on both mescaline and 2c-b thrice respectively. Gone to considerably higher relative doses with 2c-b, and because of this my best phenylethylamine trip was indeed on 2c-b. At a roughly equivalent strength rip however, I prefer mescaline (which makes me pretty certain that when I get around to a full strength mescaline trip, it will be right up there with mushrooms - hell, dare I imagine even better?).

When I've eaten San Pedro and P. Torch, it's involved chewing down 12-16g of dried cactus, this is nasty unfortunately and I definitely recommend extracting it as much as possible. People don' exaggerate when they say mescaline is the worse taste in the world.

On mescaline I get a bit of an unpleasant bodyload for the first couple of hours, the last two times I've tripped it's just gradually vanished over, say half an hour after that point. The first time I threw up at about 2 hours, after which my body felt amazing. On 2c-b there is always something slightly up with my body throughout the experience.

Now the actual trip; 2c-b makes me feel incredible, makes music sound incredible, makes my vision explode with rainbow mosaics and produces a rushing sensation that makes MDMA seem farcical. The mental aspect of the trip is good but there is always a slightly metallic, scatty edge to it.

The body high mescaline gives me is simply divine, Anne Shulgin put's it very well when she says her body is 'engorged with pure pure light particles' or something along those lines. Mescaline is also the most easy ride in terms of mental psychedelia for me, you get a lo of stuff going on but it all knits together well in a very comfortable way. Finally, as someone's already mentioned the mescaline afterglow is truly blissful.

2c-b is a wonderful substance but there's something overwhelmingly positive and friendly about the mescaline experience for me. There are similarities between them but they are VERY different trips.

 

[MR77]

The 2cs are like mescaline's inferior little brothers.

It has nothing to do with being illegal (the 2cs are illegal here anyway, whilst mescaline has legal options) or natural, since I don't buy into the natural vs. synthetic thing at all.

Better euphoria, much less bodyload, lovely visuals, comforting, humbling. Lovely stuff.

Just for the sake of things, I've done 2c-b, 2c-bFLY (ok, not really a 2c), 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-t-7 & 2c-t-2.

Out of those I think 2c-b is the only worthwhile one.

Having taken 2c-i, 2c-t-2, 2c-p, 2c-b and 2c-e I will concur with this statement. 2c's, while being quite interesting and potent psychedelics, are nowhere near as pleasing as mescaline. It's just such a pure trip that's so engaging and enlightening.

 

[MR77]

The 2cs are like mescaline's inferior little brothers.

It has nothing to do with being illegal (the 2cs are illegal here anyway, whilst mescaline has legal options) or natural, since I don't buy into the natural vs. synthetic thing at all.

Better euphoria, much less bodyload, lovely visuals, comforting, humbling. Lovely stuff.

Just for the sake of things, I've done 2c-b, 2c-bFLY (ok, not really a 2c), 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-t-7 & 2c-t-2.

Out of those I think 2c-b is the only worthwhile one.

Having taken 2c-i, 2c-t-2, 2c-p, 2c-b and 2c-e I will concur with this statement. 2c's, while being quite interesting and potent psychedelics, are nowhere near as pleasing as mescaline. It's just such a pure trip that's so engaging and enlightening.