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BZP + TFMPP pills flooding the market !!!

those transformer head shaped pills had previously been floating around the united states, and even a couple had made there way to melbourne.

in the past they were actually mdxx. but pretty average.
wouldn't write home to mum about them, but i would've eaten em again.
no suprise really that they're now piperazine shite.

it always happens with terrible pills from the states and canada tho, they get a bad name over there, noone wants to buy em.
then oddly enough they appear here 3 months later. and 9times out of 10 in the past they've been methbombs.

i remember one of the PR users from the states. woodpecker or something similar was saying, nowadays over there they'd be happy to get a methbomb. sad state of affairs really.

now those bart simpson (pills) sorry to say, but theres no fucking way on this planet would i eat something that looked like that, unless there were 100s of them in my bowl covered in milk and sugar for brekky. lol
 
There are orange shaped teddy bears that have appeared in the states which apparently alot of people are getting hives/rash appearing which is not good and these are from the same people who made those awful red bears that we are getting here now so if you see them here then avoid lke the plague.

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=13024
 
Shit... and we had a clear patch for a while there....

I still haven't seen any shitty pills turn up

Hope not too any t ime soon
 
Ok theres outpressed Peach/light orange lightning bolts so stay clear of these.

These were the first 'pills' I hit in a few months of good behaviour (late Oct). So disappointed, made me start checking bluelight again.

Thanks to the OP for this thread

Edit: whoops, you are the OP. Cheers mate!
 
Seems like after the restore we lost some of our posts... so I'll post this again.

I had some of the green taurus (even though they are being called jesus fish, the symbol is taurus) described in this thread report
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=9541

Some people have reported that these are crumbly but the ones I had were very well pressed and hard - it was hard to get a scraping for the test. The also had the waxy appearence some people have described.

I tested with marquis and the liquid fizzed and turned orange. Which indicates a ketamine like substance.

Luckily I kept my receipt and my guy refunded me. lol. He actually took them back and is swapping them for me. :)
 
I was thinking how many people have been admitted to hospital over the last few months that have consumed a pill thinking it was mdxx & end up being bzp shit.

Ive heard of a few people losing it and needing sedation & or vomiting and nausea so intense they go to hospital.

these are not PMA but imagine if it was and idiots out there are popping 3 at once ... that is just fucking stupid.Someone said theres red versions of these and people said it's PMA.

Im expecting sooner or later more so around xmas/New years that more people being admitted to hospital for consuming bzp especially those people who only take a pill when its new years & tripping out and losing it.

then the police/media reports of it being PMA to scare the hell out of people.
 
I was thinking how many people have been admitted to hospital over the last few months that have consumed a pill thinking it was mdxx & end up being bzp shit.

Ive heard of a few people losing it and needing sedation & or vomiting and nausea so intense they go to hospital.

these are not PMA but imagine if it was and idiots out there are popping 3 at once ... that is just fucking stupid.Someone said theres red versions of these and people said it's PMA.

Im expecting sooner or later more so around xmas/New years that more people being admitted to hospital for consuming bzp especially those people who only take a pill when its new years & tripping out and losing it.

then the police/media reports of it being PMA to scare the hell out of people.

You make a good point about all the crap pills coming up to NYE, I am glad that I squirrelled a couple away from earlier in the year to get me through :)

But for people like me who only drop on occasion (well maybe a little more than that =D) pick up what they think is a decent MDMA pill and then end up with one of these BZP pills new years eve/day is gonna suck.

Maybe the police are happy to let the BZP through to stop people dropping pills and put people off e in general...........
 
i cant remember waht i said before my post was deleted but heres a word to the wise, anything outpressed (jesus fish, omega, jordans and bears to name a few) i would stay well away from ime folks. had some decent white mcdonalds recently
 
Pill reports

One of the problems we are experiencing in Australia is that there are a lot of people who own pill presses. Whenever a good quality pill is reported widely in pill reports, within a couple of weeks there are often "look-alike" pills that contain no MDMA, but may contain Methamphetamine, Caffeine, or Ketamine. Last year we saw a batch seized that were just compressed flour, but with isafrole added to fool the mass-produced test kit.
 
Yea ive spoken to a few mates who say the know some higher up people(not sure how reliable this is so don't quote me on this) but alot of the good pills to hit adelaide get swooped up, repressed with half the amout of good stuff and double the amout of bad stuff.
 
What press were they?

This occured over 12 months ago, so the press used is probably completely irrelevant to current trends.

The pills in question were white with mitsubishi logos. There had been some very good quality white mitsubishis circulating for a couple of months prior to the appearance of the knock-offs.

This was my point really. If you get a good pill report from a friend and can source the same type from the same source you are probably assured of a good deal. If, on the other hand, someone tells you they had a good pill two weeks ago, and you buy one that looks the same, you are not necessarily getting the same pill- especially if it comes from a different source.

Just as there are industries in fakes of other luxury consumer goods, ( like designer label clothes and handbags), so there is now a massive industry in fake "e" pills. The batch I mentioned above wouldn't have hurt anyone- any effect you get from compressed flour and a hint of sassafras oil is psychosomatic. But the knock-offs are often visually indistinguishable from the good pills, if they contain isafrole they will fool the most available testing kits, and if the producer is unscrupulous enough they could contain any of a number of seriously toxic substances.

In SE Asia and Australia about 50% of the alleged "e" pills tested by police are actually methamphetamine pills. About 25-30% are decent quality MDMA pills with no other active ingredients. The remainder are fakes that will either have no effect, or will have an effect you may not expect or want.
 
Dr. David Coldicott or however you spell it said something along the lines of 90% of pills he has tested contain methamphetamines, whether it be straight meth, meth and MDxx or other substance or just trace amounts of meth.
 
^ Heh, well they shouldn't be taking street drugs pressed into pills anyway seeing as they can't find out what binders and fillers are being used.

outrigger said:
In SE Asia and Australia about 50% of the alleged "e" pills tested by police are actually methamphetamine pills. About 25-30% are decent quality MDMA pills with no other active ingredients. The remainder are fakes that will either have no effect, or will have an effect you may not expect or want.

Any sources for this info?
 
Warning!!!! MIXING BZP/mCPP and MDMA...

CYP2D6 is the enzyme that breaks down both MDxx and Piperazines. Now when you take the two together they both inhibit the CYP2D6 from breaking down the other. As a consiquence neather realy get broken down and your body can't handle being intoxicated for that long as such. Its thought that taking the mdma first gives the worse results as its the stronger inhibiter.

When you combine all the factors invoved with a good night, drinking, drugs, lots of dancing, sometimes not enough water, etc... you are at a much greater risk of serious harm or possible death through shear exhaustion and over heating.

MDxx =
MDMA
MDA
MDEA

Piperazines =
BZP
TFMPP
cMPP
MDBP
MeOPP


Here are the effects --->

BZP (recreational stimulant)
Users report alertness, euphoria and a general feeling of well being. The perception of certain sensations such as taste, colour or music may be subjectively enhanced. The average duration is longer than that of dextroamphetamine, typically lasting 4-6 hours with reports as long as 8 hours depending on the dose. A recent study has shown that mixtures of BZP with other piperazine drugs such as TFMPP share certain pharmacodynamic traits with MDMA


TFMPP (hallucinogen)
BZP and TFMPP has been associated with a range of side effects, including insomnia, anxiety, nausea and vomiting, headaches and muscle aches which may resemble migraine, seizures, impotence, and rarely psychosis, as well as a prolonged and unpleasant hangover effect similar to that produced by alcohol. These side effects tend to be significantly worsened when the BZP/TFMPP mix is consumed alongside alcohol, especially the headache, nausea and hangover.

However it is difficult to say how many of these side effects are produced by TFMPP itself, as it has rarely been marketed without BZP also being present, and all of the side effects mentioned are also produced by BZP (which has been sold as a single drug). Studies into other related piperazine drugs such as mCPP suggest that certain side effects such as anxiety, headache and nausea are common to all drugs of this class, and pills containing TFMPP are reported by users to produce comparatively more severe hangover effects than those containing only BZP.

pFPP (hallucinogen)
has little stimulant effects. Its effects have been described as similar to a cross between Fluoxetine and a very small dose of LSD. higher doses cause a range of side effects including migraine headaches, muscle aches, anxiety, nausea and vomiting.



For a more scientific explanation -->

Chemistry, pharmacology, toxicology, and hepatic metabolism of designer drugs of the amphetamine (ecstasy), piperazine, and pyrrolidinophenone types: a synopsis.

Department of Experimental and Clinical Toxicology, Institute of Experimental and Clinical Pharmacology and Toxicology, University of Saarland, D-66421 Homburg (Saar), Germany. [email protected]

Designer drugs of the amphetamine type (eg, MDMA, MDEA, MDA), of the new benzyl or phenyl piperazine type (eg, BZP, MDBP, mCPP, TFMPP, MeOPP), or of the pyrrolidinophenone type (eg, PPP, MOPPP, MDPPP, MPPP, MPHP) have gained popularity and notoriety as rave drugs. These drugs produce feelings of euphoria and energy and a desire to socialize. Although in the corresponding drug scene designer drugs have the reputation of being safe, studies in rats and primates in combination with human epidemiologic investigations indicate potential risks to humans. Thus, a variety of adverse effects have been associated with the use/abuse of this class of drugs in humans, including a life-threatening serotonin syndrome, hepatotoxicity, neurotoxicity, and psychopathology. Metabolites were suspected to contribute to some of the toxic effects. Therefore, knowledge of the metabolism is a prerequisite for toxicologic risk assessment. The metabolic pathways, the involvement of cytochrome P450 isoenzymes in the main pathways, and their roles in hepatic clearance are described for designer drugs of different groups. In summary, polymorphically expressed CYP2D6 was the major enzyme catalyzing the major metabolic steps of the studied piperazine- and pyrrolidinophenone-derived designer drugs. However, it cannot be concluded at the moment whether this genetic polymorphism is of clinical relevance.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...m=BZP CYP2D6
 
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I had what I susepect to be a piperazine this weekend in Brisbane. I purchased a few "pink 3's." Specifically, they were sold as these:
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=11094

Had two, which looked just like the PR photo, had a discernable logo, and tasted/felt like good mdxx. Other people said that they were good and clean. Was coming down after 3 hours, so I got one more from the same source. It looked the same, only the logo was a bit rubbed off and it broke apart a bit. After I swallowed it, I noticed a bad aftertaste. Sure, it was dumb of me to not inspect each of the pills, but ya, it happened.

Went through the exact same 20 hour struggle as I did the other time I consumed piperazines (white bears). Pupil dialation for 16 hours afterward, impossible to eat and hard to drink without feeling ill, restless, mentally alert, but also numb. Then slept for 10 straight hours after being up for 2 days.

Apparently I was given a copycat pill or something, I don't know. But everyone should be very careful if purchasing pink pills in Brisbane, which may be sold as "pink 3." Not that good of a press, and barely have a logo, which may or may not be a 3. They could just be meth (I don't use meth, so I don't really know how it would effect me), but otherwise it was consistent with my known piperazine experience.
 
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