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BZP+TFMPP- Experienced w/ BZP- Very enjoyable experience

sweatybee

Bluelighter
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May 2, 2002
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Here's the deal I have 2 weeks off in between jobs with nothing better to do than experiment with some strange ass compounds.(This all occurred in a dream and I am just writing down what I remember).
I have tried BZP by itself on numerous occassions from ranges of 50 to 400 mg. doses. I have grown to like this substance and have never (knock on wood) experienced any of the terrible hangover effects reported by so many others, rather, a handful of others. I have never, until today, tried TFMPP in combination with BZP. I had never went the TFMPP route because of the negative feedback I saw from others in there trip reports, etc... but, being the brave sole I am I decided to try it.
-10:00AM Measured out 200mgs BZP and 100 mgs. TFMPP put into gelcap.
-10:01AM Down the hatch, why hesitate and think of reasons not to do it?!
-10:50AM Feeling that familiar tingly energy rush I associate with BZP, only this time it is a little different.
-11:15AM The TFMPP seems to have overshadowed the BZP rush and set in with its own distinct effects. I am feeling slightly trippy and cold. Amazing skin and tactile sensations. Overall a pleasent state, but, to somone who never tripped before it could be overwhelming.
-12:00PM I can see where people can compare this to MDMA. The physical sensations are all definately there but it "does" lack the empathy effect of MDMA. In the right setting this could be lots of fun. By the way, my setting is alone in my condo playing on the computer and watching CNBC. Fun stuff, I know.
-12:30PM Still full on effects. I had to wrap a blanket around my self because I am so damn cold! I also have some serious dry mouth. Nothing a huge amount of ice water in a 44oz Mountain Dew gas station cup can't handle!
-1:00PM Still the same. No decrease in intensity or feeling of coming down yet. This is actually a very nice combo IMHO. The only negatives so far were a little anxiety and slight nasuea in the first hour or so. They have totally dissipated at this point.
-1:40PM Feel like I could have reached the peak and started that descent downward to baseline. Well, If there are anymore interesting things to report I will do so at a later date/time.
Overall, I must say that this was a positive experience. The TFMPP is definately a bit trippy. Nothing like LSD or shrooms, but, slightly psychedelic. I didn't see any brighter colors or anything , but, I knew I was off baseline (possibly a +1/2 or + 1 on the Shulgin scale). I would reccommend trying this in a small social setting the first time. I think the dose was perfect, but, I am a six foot 195lb male so adjust accordingly. Have fun and be safe!
The Sweaty One.....
 
Im liking your post, it feeds my curious nature. I think Ill give Piperzines a go when I get enough money to spare.
This report could be spiced up a lil more. I personaly think it doesnt go into enough detail. Tho I understand the limitations of your setting.
Good luck with the Pipers.
 
I also (along with a lot of my friends) use BZP, sometimes quite often, and sometimes i take a big break. I too have never noticed any hangover from it, up to around a max of 600mg in a day (usually i just take one dose of 200mg, occasionally another 200mg later). Also none of my friends have ever noticed a "hangover" either, other than maybe staying up too late and not getting enough sleep..
I got a sample of TFMPP a while back, tried it by itself, and with bzp, at various dosages, a low dose is "ok", but higher doses (100mg+) make me feel cold all over, and just overall really crappy. Haven't touched the stuff since my last 100-150mg dose of it (without bzp). I've had a couple other wierd piperazine samples sent to me, which dont seem to have any effect at all at any dosage (never tried them over 200mg though).
 
Nice report! Very interesting, if i decide to use these compounds ill be sure to use this as a reference. excellent work...you describe the feelings in a way that even though i havent tried these, i can see in a way what you mean when you say how it feels...
P.S. would some more ppl be so kind as to have a look at my trip report. Ive only got a few responses, which were positive but perhaps not representative!
[ 04 June 2002: Message edited by: junglist 3000 ]
 
This combo just makes me feel really... fucked. There are very good positives to it, and I've never had the piperazine migraine, but when the BZP wears off at about the 6hr point, I just feel really fucked up, and can't do anything except kick back and revel in my inebriation. The comparisons to rolling are minimal IMO, but I did meet up with people who asked me if I was rolling.
In all honesty, I like the combo. But it does make me feel very intoxicated, and not in a particularly psychedelic fashion.
 
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