BZP, MeOPP, pFPP,Hydrocodone, PST - Experienced - Odd but Nice Combo

[MattPsy]

My mid semester break was starting after some pretty intense work put in on my part, so I decided I deserved some indulgence. With this in mind I thus planned a night in with a good combination of drugs and a collection of interesting movies. However, I didn't want to go too out of my way or buy expensive drugs so I decided on the following planned chemical orchestra:

PLANNED:
T+0: 200mg 1-BZP diHCl (stimulant - upper), 200mg pMeOPP diHCl (mild stimulant+empathogen+psychedelic), 50mg pFPP diHCl (mild psychedelic), 20mg Hydrocodone HCl powder (opioid - downer).
T+2hrs: 600g poppy seeds in tea (opioid - downer), which was later modified to suit a change in circumstances.

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T-1hr: Swallowed a 10mg pill of Loratadine (an antihistamine) to cut down in excessive itchiness from the opioids i'd be taking.

T=0: Put the BZP, pMeOPP, and pFPP in a gel-cap and swallowed it. The hydrocodone was put in another gel-cap and swallowed too.

T+1.5hrs = Unexpectedly, a friend came over and said I should go out with them to a hardtrance-harddance gig out in town.
This meant a change in plan, as I knew that if I had the PST dose i'd planned (600 grams) that I would be wayyy too opiated, sleepy and dopey to go and dance and socialise.
It also meant that the battle-of-two-opposing-forces combo i'd planned was pretty one-sided, having missed out on the tea which was to have contributed a lot of the downer side of the combo!

T+2hrs: Since the hydrocodone was wearing off a bit by now, I started getting quite anxious and scattered feeling, since I was tripping quite a lot from the pFPP and pMeOPP - my room looked like it was filled with smoke and there were patterns forming in my carpet - , and I was worring about how i'd deal with town... basically I felt pretty crap. I told my friend I might not be able to go, and said i'd give it an hour and then see how I felt.

T+2.5hrs: Still feeling just as crappy, I come up with having just a small dose of PST - enough to remove the anxiety I had, but not enough to sedate me. I decided on 250 grams of the seeds.
This was thus prepared and injested.

T+3hrs: I feel FAR, FAR better, and not sedated at all. Feeling nicely awake, and have some good visuals going on (moss growing across concrete tiles, fractals in textured surfaces etc), and a good trippy headspace.
We head off and get into town.

T+4hrs: We enter the club.

I'll stop timestamping here for a bit as it becomes much of the same, but suffice to say for pretty much the rest of the night at the club I was up right at the front of the dancefloor going nuts, having a wicked time !!! I felt great the whole night - a most interesting feeling of being energetic and euphoric, but dreamy and relaxed too. Good visuals from the lasers too. It was awesome.
I had some ketamine (~50mg) and cannabis (smoked a joint with another friend i'd met there) toward the end of the night which added really nicely this this dreamy feeling.

T+9hrs: Got home, rehydrated with electrolyte water and ate a few cookies, then got into bed and started watching The Fifth Element. Colours are still a little brighter than they should be but it's obvious the trip has pretty much ended from the pFPP.

Around T+10hrs: Fell asleep with the movie still playing.


When I woke up 6 hours later I was still in a half-seated position, lol.
Hope y'all enjoyed the report of an odd and probably pretty obscure combination haha.

substancecode_BZP
substancecode_meOPP
substancecode_pFPP
substancecode_piperazines
substancecode_hydrocodone
substancecode_opiates
substancecode_poppyseedtea
substancecode_poppy
substancecode_PST
substancecode_ketamine
substancecode_cannabis
substancecode_marijuana
_combo_

 

[Xorkoth]

Whew! Now that's a combo! Thanks for the report... sounds interesting. I can't say I enjoy the piperazines too much, but then again I haven't tried meOPP by itself, only with mCPP (which I find difficult to enjoy).

 

[MattPsy]

mCPP is poison IMO!
Anxiety and dysphoria in a powder . Ugh. pMeOPP is actually quite decent by itself I reckon, quite relaxing even.
lol@the extensive substancecode list . Oh man, if the same system were applied to my newyears report I wrote up here, hahah.
Thanks for the comment anyways .

 

[rangrz]

did you puke bricks?

I love piperazines, and generally get no side effects my self...but in big doses...I've had some bad gastrointestinal upset from them.

combined with an opiate, in that hueg dose *gets queasy thinking about it*

of course, tfmpp is what makes me feel usually...not tried mcpp

 

[MattPsy]

No puke despite the very vigourous movement in the gig hehe. I was feeling like I might have puked, before I had that small dose of the tea though! No naueseous feelings after it though!

This is odd because I actually puke quite easily.. it doesn't take much to make me puke...
I almost puked last night after having a nice strong dose of PST and then smoking a cigarette (I don't smoke normally, but I find the synergy between opioids and nicrotine to elicit heaps of euphoria...)... it got too intense suddenly, so I quickly but carefully lay flat on my back till it went away.

 

[indelibleface]

I can imagine liking the psychedelic piperazines more in combination with opiates. I personally enjoyed mCPP and meOPP together in moderation, but still, they're not at all great compared to their bigger phenethylamine and tryptamine brothers. Piperazines are like the annoying little brothers of the psychedelic world, always trying to imitate and act like their older siblings but always falling short and failing.

If I come across piperazines again, I might combine them with opiates. That sounds almost nice, actually.

 

[rangrz]

^
they dont fall short...I perfer BZP to any amphetamine except methamphetamine...
I find it feels like a medium sized dose cocaine, but it lasts for 3 hours.
granted, its not a pyschedelic...

and to be fair, fentanyl, methylphenidate, phencyclidine and ketamine are piperazines.

 

[MattPsy]

No they aren't. They have piperIDINE rings in them. Only one nitrogen in the ring. Not -azine, which is two nitrogens on opposing sides of the 6 membered ring.

Viagra (sildenafil) and the other PDE-5 inhibitors have piperazine rings in them though, for example! Haha.

Yeah it's interesting that some people prefer BZP as a stimulant. I think it's because it has a greater capacity for euphoria because of it's serotonergic action which yes, would make it more cocaine-like.
Indelible, I definitely agree about the "annoying little brother" comment, haha.
That's why they're essentially worthless as self-explorative or deep, enriching psychedelics, so they're good only for recreational uses... and if they're purely recreational, well, you won't be spoiling them by adding opioids to the mix . That was my thinking, anyway...

 

[rangrz]

ah yes, close but not quite...I forgot about that. oh well, no harm done.

hmm, nothing with recreational...giddy superficial physedelics is also my perferred, I find the real ones are too distracting/strong/deep to have any fun on.

but mmm...BZP...I am tempted to go do some right now. Its legallty in Canada makes it hard for me not be an addict.

 

[indelibleface]

Yeah, the piperazines are essentially all visual with a little touch of traditional psych mind-fuck...but really, nothing shocking. Maybe a little bit of the giggles, but that's it. And, the visuals aren't all that intense. The drugs would be fantastic light-hearted semi-psychedelics (with a bit of entactogenic power) if not for the terrible body load they seem to conjure, which I assume is where the opiates would come in.