Burma opium production rises again!

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Opium production has risen significantly in Burma this year, the UN says, because farmers lack alternative ways to make a living.

The UN estimated that Burma - also known as Myanmar - will end up producing 870 tonnes of opium in 2013.

It is the seventh annual rise in a row and keeps Burma as the world's second-largest grower after Afghanistan.

The UN cited growing regional demand for heroin and a lack of alternative cash crops in key areas as factors.

The increase represented a 26% rise year on year, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said in its annual Southeast Asia Opium Survey.
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It was clear, it said, that more efforts were needed to find people alternative sources of income.
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I hope SE amazing Asian heroin can make it to the west coast, this tar is bullshit. Go golden triangle, go!
 
Should be good news for Australian heroin users, hopefully purity will be up next year! :)

I have never understood how the West Coast cops that tar bullshit the way they do, the Mexicans must really have that shit on lock down. I would of thought it would take fuck all time for some outfits to set up shop out that way with some decent #4 and make a killing but obviously something is stopping them. I don't know how the users stand for it, I mean the stuff just seems so nasty, fair enough if you don't inject but seriously how IV drug users put up with that shit is a huge mystery to me. No offence intended towards anyone, but I just feel like people can't really respect their body very much if they decide to inject that black slurry directly into their veins, I am not against needles or anything but that shit makes me want to puke.
 
I haven't used heroin in some years but I always preferred quality tar to quality powder.....much "warmer and fuller"....kind of like the difference between poppy tea or opium vs. morphine. But, I also systematically destroyed my veins, so take that for what you will..
 
Se powder is great. One of the few times ive gotten dope that was white and cut with white substance to keep it looking white. It wasnt pressed, all powder but it was some serious fire. After a while some idiot started cutting it wrong so i changed dealers. When you prep a shot and you have a pile of goo and cant draw the rest of the solution thu the filter its time to find a new guy lol.
 
bennyZA said:
I hope SE amazing Asian heroin can make it to the west coast, this tar is bullshit. Go golden triangle, go!
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I second that send the love my way burma!
Idahos market is prime for the taking.

I would gladly put whatever money I can into these farmers pockets. :D

As for the tar vs powder, I've had both and while I do enjoy the rush of a high 6 mam content its not worth destroying my body with tar.
The powder was a beautiful warm glowing experience It was a lot easier to handle as well.

I love both. ;)
 
Tar sucks. It's too risky to get ECP into the west in bulk, so mexicans can make tar. Tar sucks cause you can't really snort that shit. I also hate the consistency and working with it. It does feel a little different, but not better. All I want for xmas is some SE H.
 
Benny I am curious what you mean by " It's too risky to get ECP into the west in bulk, so mexicans can make tar"? I don't really see how tar would be easier to smuggle than powder, or why shit in general would be harder to smuggle to the West coast than the East, there sure seems to be plenty of drugs out that way making it over the border... If you mean risky as in anybody doing so would likely be killed rather quickly by Mexican cartels then that makes a lot more sense to me, I know nothing about it but I have to assume that is the case or surely some Colombians or something would of moved in by now.

Given the choice I cannot see that a majority of heroin users would not opt for powder, assuming I am correct it follows that it is the drug trafficking organisations and not the consumer that dictate the West coast scene is dominated by tar.
 
poledriver said:
Hey Benny what's the link to this article? Thanks.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25426270

Benny I am curious what you mean by " It's too risky to get ECP into the west in bulk, so mexicans can make tar"?
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ECP enters the country on the east coast from afghan sources. Tar comes from Mexico. Getting ECP from the East Coast is riskier and probably not as profitable for suppliers than just slanging the tar that comes over the border. If powder could actually come directly to the west things would be different.
 
Given the choice I cannot see that a majority of heroin users would not opt for powder, assuming I am correct it follows that it is the drug trafficking organisations and not the consumer that dictate the West coast scene is dominated by tar.
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Spot on d.m.
The west coast is locked down by mexican cartels, not only would it require smuggling the powder across the us it would also require trying to take the customer base from an extremely violent organized crime ring.

If they produced powder them selves we could have powder but for some reason they don't take the extra steps to refine it down. Be this because they are lazy or lack proper chemists ( which I highly doubt) I feel they use it as a form of branding compared to stamp bags or how heroin on the east is called east coast powder we have black tar on the west. Which every one and there grandmother here in the usa know comes from mexico.

Also the high 6 mam contents of b.t.h. adds to the high in some ways but I think it is out weighed by the risks and less refined product.
If the option was there say from se asia importing herion in places like washington california or canada I could see the market for bth falling and mexico switching to powder as well.

Many tar users smoke there product which doesn't work as well with #4 powder. So there could be some draw backs there but it would be much easier to use and on the custos health so I imagine it could be worked past.
 
bennyZA said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25426270



ECP enters the country on the east coast from afghan sources. Tar comes from Mexico. Getting ECP from the East Coast is riskier and probably not as profitable for suppliers than just slanging the tar that comes over the border. If powder could actually come directly to the west things would be different.
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I thought Colombia supplied a lot of the East Coast, they certainly produce heroin down there and I have never heard of it going anywhere else. It is a little hard to imagine that Colombia alone manufactures enough to satiate half the US appetite for heroin, especially when they produce more cocaine than heroin, I assume any way, I still kind of imagined that other countries in South America probably produced heroin in small to medium batches that went along similar supply routes and this likely picked up a lot of the slack. It would probably be naive to imagine that #4 heroin produced elsewhere in the world did not make its way to the East Coast of the US, I just always imagined this would be minimal because of a number of reasons, for instance it seems to me a lot of the heroin trade on the East Coast is controlled by Hispanic gangs. I also imagine that it is easier to smuggle heroin into the country along existing smuggling routes from South America, it also seems like it would be cheaper than gear sourced from West Asia due to the proximity.

I was unaware that the Middle East was a major supplier to the US heroin market, I always felt like South America was the primary source and South East Asia would be more likely as a secondary source since they tend to make #4 where Afghan dope is often base. I know the Afghani's do make some #4 but from my observations the base seems to be by and large their primary export. I am not saying you are incorrect, although I would be curious if you know of any major heroin busts on the East coast that involve heroin coming from the Middle East? I have never heard of any, although I do concede it isn't like I go looking for them, I do spend a lot of time in this section of Bluelight though.

Being an opioid user in the US, I am sure that you are more informed on the scene there than I am, just sharing some of my observations and assumptions that led me to believe that the Middle East was not a major source for heroin in the United States.

TheRapperGoneBad, clearly in Mexico they have some decent chemists as they pump out enough meth (not saying meth is super hard, but it seems to me uneducated folks in poor regions of the world manage to make #4 heroin just fine!) and they really should get their act together. My guess would be is someone somewhere did a cost/benefit analysis of switching over and determined that it was not worth their while. It is quite likely that despite the drawbacks of tar heroin, many heroin users on the West Coast could not afford to pay a much higher market price for #4, I have always assumed that a dirty and unrefined product like tar would yield more per kilo of opium than a clean product like East Coast powder, if you consider that they almost certainly get to skimp on chemicals and lab equipment as well it could be the case that BTH costs half what #4 does to produce, and commands more than half of the street price that could be asked for #4. That is seriously the only logical reason I can come up with that they are still making BTH.
 
^ you are correct in that east coast powder is almost all from Columbia. I read a recent DEA analysis of such, where they use chemical fingerprinting, and over 90% of the east coast dope was from SA. Very little Afghan dope makes it to North America. Stays in Europe, Russia, etc.

Funny how the west coast is all tar, but cross the border into Vancouver (the dopiest city in NA) and it's all powder, from SE Asia. Makes sense though....big port, big Asian community, etc. I encountered tar once in Vancouver in my dope days a decade ago....maybe it has changed since.
 
Interesting perspective and good points dm.

I've always wondered about the price of ecp. Bth does seem to be a fair bit cheaper but in my area I can almost gaurnetee the price of a point of bth could get you atleast 4 bags of eastcoast dope in jersey or ny.

I wonder exactly how much weight bth has added to it by the by products but I'm sure ill never know that. Would a gcs or whatever be able to tell? I remember a dealer on a certain black market had his contents listed as like 60% 6 mam and 12% heroin but who knows if they were even real numbers.
 
amanitadine said:
Funny how the west coast is all tar, but cross the border into Vancouver (the dopiest city in NA) and it's all powder, from SE Asia. Makes sense though....big port, big Asian community, etc. I encountered tar once in Vancouver in my dope days a decade ago....maybe it has changed since.
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You'd think the bay area would have powder then, massive asian community and one of the biggest ports on the west coast in a city that is notoriously corrupt and dangerous (oakland).
 
bennyZA said:
You'd think the bay area would have powder then, massive asian community and one of the biggest ports on the west coast in a city that is notoriously corrupt and dangerous (oakland).
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I'd wager another important variable would be the additional border to cross for Mexican tar (Canadian), the long term standing of Asian gangs in Vancouver, the lack of a big Mexican presence, and the Latino lockdown on the bay.

At least a decade ago I was always surprised at the shit quality of tar in the bay area. Way worse than Portland to the north and waaaay worse than Los Angeles. And that whole peculiar scene of "one and ones" on the street in SF....a tiny amount of tar and a tiny amount of coke in a bag costing next to nothing.
 
drug_mentor said:
Should be good news for Australian heroin users, hopefully purity will be up next year! :)

I have never understood how the West Coast cops that tar bullshit the way they do, the Mexicans must really have that shit on lock down. I would of thought it would take fuck all time for some outfits to set up shop out that way with some decent #4 and make a killing but obviously something is stopping them. I don't know how the users stand for it, I mean the stuff just seems so nasty, fair enough if you don't inject but seriously how IV drug users put up with that shit is a huge mystery to me. No offence intended towards anyone, but I just feel like people can't really respect their body very much if they decide to inject that black slurry directly into their veins, I am not against needles or anything but that shit makes me want to puke.
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black tar is the cheapest way to make heroin and its been around for decades. there is no way the cartels are going to spring for more money to make a #4 or #3 simply because the users MAY want it. why mess with something thats already bringing you millions, possibly billions? and there will be war in the streets if anyone ever tries to go outwest and mass push their product.
 
There are mexican cartels that bang out white powder dope. I saw a dea micrgram where tehy seized a few keys of mexican white heroin that testes really high on the gcms. I think that since the northeast and east coast in general is used to powder *4 and same for the west. Plus with how mexico grows tons of poppies they can just refine is poorly and sell it as tar. Ecp would throw off the balance.
 
Allegedly the mexis are offering better quality tar out in nc for pretty competitive prices so the users will want tk make a switch

I will say prices are slightly lower per gram for the tar vs raw , but the tar is better
 
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