Buprenorphine to become generic on or after October 2009

A number of Buprenorphine brand products will be hitting the market soon.

Probuphine for example (subcutaneous injection of Buprenorphine that lasts many months; like Vivitrol). A Buprenorphine depot pellet is in the works, various companies working on similar long lasting injections, maybe we'll see the patch released in the US?
 
That Probuphine sounds like it would be GREAT... only having to go once every 6 months, that would save a lot of headache especially if you're like me and using Suboxone on the DL from family...
 
A number of Buprenorphine brand products will be hitting the market soon.

Probuphine for example (subcutaneous injection of Buprenorphine that lasts many months; like Vivitrol). A Buprenorphine depot pellet is in the works, various companies working on similar long lasting injections, maybe we'll see the patch released in the US?

Wow! I didn't know that.
That is an awesome idea. A much better than solution than Vivitrol
 
Wow! I didn't know that.
That is an awesome idea. A much better than solution than Vivitrol

I'm much more excited about Axxia Pharma's subcutaneous pellet depot of Hydromorphone. A member of the company told me via e-mail that they are very interested in pursuing MMT patients as a market for this product (and to stay in touch with them about studies). XR Hydromorphone in pill form has had great success in Europe/Asia, I'd love to see an alternative agonist to Methadone available in the US especially.
 
^^Wouldn't we all like that. We definitely need more alternatives for maintenance treatment besides Methadone and Suboxone/Subutex. A full agonist would definitely hold you and keep the cravings down MUCH BETTER than a partial agonist like bupe. Also, a bupe patch would be kinda cool. But all I really need is a company to step up and just make a generic suboxone/subutex that is at least 50% cheaper.
 
has anyone heard any updates on this statement that Suboxone is going "generic on or after October 2009"?? I'd like to believe it but I was in my doctor's office the other day for my monthly visit & while giving the secretary my new insurance info we got into a discussion about how ridiculously expensive the stuff is. My Dr. joined in too but neither seemed to have any knowledge of an impending option for a generic...maybe just outa the loop but you'd think they would know. After all, it is the only service they provide at this practice, pain management & Suboxone maintenance. Motherfucker's gotcha from BOTH ends...haha. Anyway, I've got my fingers crossed.
peace
 
I'm much more excited about Axxia Pharma's subcutaneous pellet depot of Hydromorphone. A member of the company told me via e-mail that they are very interested in pursuing MMT patients as a market for this product (and to stay in touch with them about studies). XR Hydromorphone in pill form has had great success in Europe/Asia, I'd love to see an alternative agonist to Methadone available in the US especially.

I may be talkin outta my ass here, so forgive me if that is the case but...

I always thought the benefit of Suboxone (although with Subutex I realize this doesn't hold true), is that the Naloxone, while having less affinity than the buprenorphine, does help to limit abuse and OD potential. Using more of it, or using it in conjunction with other opiates doesn't get you higher or give you a rush(??). I'm guessing that bupe alone must have a long half-life... thus the ability for Subutex to be effective as well.

I also thought the idea behind Methadone was that it had a long half-life, so once a morning treatment "held" opiate abusers till their next visit.

I don't quite understand the HM pellet option. It seems like continuous use of a short acting opioid wouldn't really be an effective long term solution. How is it any different that allowing doctors to prescribe whatever they want for opioid dependency? I mean, why wouldn't Heroin addicts think this is just a way to get even higher??

I'm all in favor of a generic bupe option. I know the price would help many many addicts.

just curious

-DISCO
 
^the naloxone is basically inactive in Suboxone pills, since the bupe has the higher affinity. the reason bupe doesnt get you any higher is because there is a ceiling dose, which is about 32mg i believe and the fact that bupe is a partial agonist/antagonist in itself. and yes, bupe has a long half-life, around 36 hours i believe.

i think the HM pellet thing is to make it so the hydromorphone gets released slowly over a long period of time, thus making it Extended Release. and since it would last long, it would be similar to methadone in a way since they are both full agonists.
 
I may be talkin outta my ass here, so forgive me if that is the case but...

I always thought the benefit of Suboxone (although with Subutex I realize this doesn't hold true), is that the Naloxone, while having less affinity than the buprenorphine, does help to limit abuse and OD potential. Using more of it, or using it in conjunction with other opiates doesn't get you higher or give you a rush(??). I'm guessing that bupe alone must have a long half-life... thus the ability for Subutex to be effective as well.

I also thought the idea behind Methadone was that it had a long half-life, so once a morning treatment "held" opiate abusers till their next visit.

I don't quite understand the HM pellet option. It seems like continuous use of a short acting opioid wouldn't really be an effective long term solution. How is it any different that allowing doctors to prescribe whatever they want for opioid dependency? I mean, why wouldn't Heroin addicts think this is just a way to get even higher??

I'm all in favor of a generic bupe option. I know the price would help many many addicts.

just curious

-DISCO

The Naloxone in Suboxone was an appeasement to political interests involved in the drug treatment industry. It has absolutely, 100% no impact on the ability of someone to overdose on Buprenorphine, to inject crushed up Suboxone tablets, or to precipitate withdrawal.

The entire purpose of Naloxone in Suboxone is, according to Reckitt-Benckiser, discourage intravenous abuse of Suboxone tablets. Meaning, the rumours and myths concerning what will happen to you if you inject Suboxone are the entire purpose. There is no physiological consequence from the Naloxone in Suboxone when it comes to abusing Suboxone via injection, insufflation, etc to get high. There is some evidence that certan side effects are specific to Suboxone when it is taken as directed sublingually, specifically headaches.

Methadone was chosen as a Heroin/Morphine alternative for opioid maintenance for a number of reasons. The long half-life is simply one of many reasons why it was chosen and backed by political and medical interests.

There are a large number of opioid addicts who do not accept or fail at Methadone and Buprenorphine maintenance programs. There are many opioid addicts who maintain on Methadone or Buprenorphine despite numerous problems with these programs because, in many countries, these are the only options. Because of the political situations in certain countries (like the US), it is very unlikely that, in the shortterm, we will get even a pilot IV opioid maintenance program like those in the UK, Holland, Switzerland, etc.

The Hydromorphone subcutaneous depot pellet is an extended release product. Once a month, or every 3 months or every 6 months, the addict/patient has the pellet removed and a new one put in. Because it will be released very slowly over a long period of time, the short half-life of Hydromorphone is irrelevant. Currently, many other countries use extended release Hydromorphone tablets (Jurnista, HydromorphContin) as an alternative to Methadone maintenance for opioid addicts.

Methadone has a number of disturbing side effects, and in many patients these side effects are far too bothersome to attempt going higher in dose to reach a dosage level that adequately covers and controls cravings.

Hydromorphone has a much, much more preferable side effect profile compared to Methadone. There is a good foundation of literature and studies on the use of XR Hydromorphone in opioid addicts who have tried and failed or are currently on and don't like MMT.

Sedation, severe constipation (leading to vomiting, impacted bowel, anal fissures/tearing, passing blood, etc), inability to feel or react to emotional stimuli, excessive sweating, uncomfortable 'overheating' (feeling like your bodies thermostat is fucked up), etc are common problems and side effects for long term MMT patients. These problems are not present or are substantially less severe with XR Hydromorphone.

In an XR form, there is no 'high' from Hydromorphone. In a depot pellet form, there would be no change in plasma/blood concentration as drastic as there is with a once-a-day dose with Methadone. Just a constant medication level until it is time for a replacement pellet.

This also serves another beneficial purpose to those trying to detox. By removing the conscious act of dosing with an opioid medication, the opioid dependancy becomes a more or less unsconscious issue. Without having to dose, and without drastic changes in blood/plasma levels, the life of a person with a HM depot pellet resembles the life of someone not dependant on opioids, and with the constant blood/plasma levels, the person would not feel the ups and downs of opioid dependancy related to a dosing schedule.

However. The Hydromorphone depot pellet is simply one tool in the toolbox. It should not take the place of Methadone or Buprenorphine, and it should not stop the push for full prescribing rights for doctors treating opioid addicts. Meaning, all opioid medications and formulations, instant release and extended release, syrup, tablet, dispersible, injectable, everything should be in the table for physicians treating addicts.

Longterm IV Diamorphine maintenance, oral Morphine, IV Methadone, sublingual Buprenorphine, subcutaneous depot pellet Hydromorphone, oral Methadone, IV Hydromorphone, oral Dihydrocodeine, and so on, absolutely everything should be allowed if a physician believes it is the right path for their patient.

Like I said, there is a large percentage of opioid addicts who have failed numerous treatment modalities- cold turkey, 12 step, symptomatic medications (Clonidine, Benzo's, Ibuprofen, etc), Methadone maintenance, Buprenorphine maintenance, etc. These addicts require other options, whether temporary, longterm or for the rest of their lives. The HM pellet is just another option.
 
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The Naloxone in Suboxone was an appeasement to political interests involved in the drug treatment industry. It has absolutely, 100% no impact on the ability of someone to overdose on Buprenorphine, to inject crushed up Suboxone tablets, or to precipitate withdrawal.

The entire purpose of Naloxone in Suboxone is, according to Reckitt-Benckiser, discourage intravenous abuse of Suboxone tablets. Meaning, the rumours and myths concerning what will happen to you if you inject Suboxone are the entire purpose. There is no physiological consequence from the Naloxone in Suboxone when it comes to abusing Suboxone via injection, insufflation, etc to get high. There is some evidence that certan side effects are specific to Suboxone when it is taken as directed sublingually, specifically headaches.

Methadone was chosen as a Heroin/Morphine alternative for opioid maintenance for a number of reasons. The long half-life is simply one of many reasons why it was chosen and backed by political and medical interests.

There are a large number of opioid addicts who do not accept or fail at Methadone and Buprenorphine maintenance programs. There are many opioid addicts who maintain on Methadone or Buprenorphine despite numerous problems with these programs because, in many countries, these are the only options. Because of the political situations in certain countries (like the US), it is very unlikely that, in the shortterm, we will get even a pilot IV opioid maintenance program like those in the UK, Holland, Switzerland, etc.

The Hydromorphone subcutaneous depot pellet is an extended release product. Once a month, or every 3 months or every 6 months, the addict/patient has the pellet removed and a new one put in. Because it will be released very slowly over a long period of time, the short half-life of Hydromorphone is irrelevant. Currently, many other countries use extended release Hydromorphone tablets (Jurnista, HydromorphContin) as an alternative to Methadone maintenance for opioid addicts.

Methadone has a number of disturbing side effects, and in many patients these side effects are far too bothersome to attempt going higher in dose to reach a dosage level that adequately covers and controls cravings.

Hydromorphone has a much, much more preferable side effect profile compared to Methadone. There is a good foundation of literature and studies on the use of XR Hydromorphone in opioid addicts who have tried and failed or are currently on and don't like MMT.

Sedation, severe constipation (leading to vomiting, impacted bowel, anal fissures/tearing, passing blood, etc), inability to feel or react to emotional stimuli, excessive sweating, uncomfortable 'overheating' (feeling like your bodies thermostat is fucked up), etc are common problems and side effects for long term MMT patients. These problems are not present or are substantially less severe with XR Hydromorphone.

In an XR form, there is no 'high' from Hydromorphone. In a depot pellet form, there would be no change in plasma/blood concentration as drastic as there is with a once-a-day dose with Methadone. Just a constant medication level until it is time for a replacement pellet.

This also serves another beneficial purpose to those trying to detox. By removing the conscious act of dosing with an opioid medication, the opioid dependancy becomes a more or less unsconscious issue. Without having to dose, and without drastic changes in blood/plasma levels, the life of a person with a HM depot pellet resembles the life of someone not dependant on opioids, and with the constant blood/plasma levels, the person would not feel the ups and downs of opioid dependancy related to a dosing schedule.

However. The Hydromorphone depot pellet is simply one tool in the toolbox. It should not take the place of Methadone or Buprenorphine, and it should not stop the push for full prescribing rights for doctors treating opioid addicts. Meaning, all opioid medications and formulations, instant release and extended release, syrup, tablet, dispersible, injectable, everything should be in the table for physicians treating addicts.

Longterm IV Diamorphine maintenance, oral Morphine, IV Methadone, sublingual Buprenorphine, subcutaneous depot pellet Hydromorphone, oral Methadone, IV Hydromorphone, oral Dihydrocodeine, and so on, absolutely everything should be allowed if a physician believes it is the right path for their patient.

Like I said, there is a large percentage of opioid addicts who have failed numerous treatment modalities- cold turkey, 12 step, symptomatic medications (Clonidine, Benzo's, Ibuprofen, etc), Methadone maintenance, Buprenorphine maintenance, etc. These addicts require other options, whether temporary, longterm or for the rest of their lives. The HM pellet is just another option.

Goddamn...did that take you all day?

I would like to add that i used to have blue cross insurance and i paid $40/month no matter the dose, i switched to AETNA and paid the same. I just switched back to blue cross because of my work and all of a sudden they only pay 50% of subutex now, so i had to foot a bill for $229 for 60 tablets. Granted this lasts me like 6 months, i wonder if this has to do with Reck. Benck. being giant money-grubbing cock-gobblers.
 
Thank you Tchort. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and agree with what you wrote.

The "appeasement" factor you mention regarding Suboxone certainly makes sense with regards to Congressional approval of Bupe products. Whether real or mythical, the ideas that A. Naloxone will precipitate withdrawals in users who either abuse the pills or use other opiates while on suboxone and B. That there is a ceiling dose of 32mg/day above which users do not feel any additonal relief, definitely serve an important purpose in addressing conservative concerns in this country. It makes some people believe (albeit incorrectly), that the Subs alone can treat the factors behind addiction properly and can be used either as a short term taper, or a long term maintenance program.

For that same reason, you are also right that, in the US, Congress isn't going to pass any legislation that allows a full agonist to be prescribed for treating opiate addiction. Right or wrong, in the eyes of legislators (and FDA, DEA...), the only benefit to the use of full agonists for treatment of opiate dependent patients would be to get users off the streets. That simply is not enough of a reason for them to change the CSA designation of a medication or how it may be prescribed. If it were, marijiana would not be a Schedule I...

That said, in theory, I agree with the idea that HM XR would be a useful medication and an effective tool in cases where a patient requires opiates for pain management but without an XR implant option would abuse the daily meds prescribed.

However, used alone, I just don't see how HM XR would get to the root problem behind an addiction not based on a true need for pain relief. Having a steady opiate level in a person's plasma doesn't stop him/her from having problems coping, or simply wanting to get high/higher.

Finally, HM XR would be a long term maintenance solution only. Yes, the pellet form would offset the short halflife during usage, but if someone determined he/she no longer wanted to be on opiate maintenance for pain, they would still have to revert to a longer halflife opiate such as MMT or BMT, or would require an effective/monitoring tapering solution.

Best,

DISCO
 
90 tablets of 8mg generic Subutex from Roxane costs $226 compared to the brand name costs of $704. Something is really messed up with this picture
 
While i agree that the cost of this is can be too high, health care is a business. If companies could not make money they would have no reason to produce.

What if it was your business. Imagine coming up with an amazing and very profitable product. The catch is, after a set number of years you profits will cease and go to 0% in the span of one day. At that point you are out of business. That's why the system is the way it is. There are abuses that take place, but overall I would rather have the new developments that save lives.

I have heard many opiate addicts QQ about the cost of the Suboxone/Subutex programs. Ask yourself how much you spent on your addiction that drove you to need bupe. Worth every penny in my book.

But dont worry, I'm sure the US's health care system will go the way of welfare soon. As long as we dont need any new discoveries in the drug market things should work out well that way.
 
I wonder what the next new wonder drug for addicts will be? Or is the pharmacological management of opiate dependence not likely to get any better than it currently is?
 
Something tells me this is it for a long time. Look how long it took them to come up with Bupe (or use bupe for maintenance) after methadone or LAAM.
 
Bupe and Meth are great drugs for opiate maintenance. I dont really see what they could improve per say, except the reformulated suboxone gelatin wafers [which should be coming to market soon] that prevent nasal abuse. I was on meth and LAAM many years back and they definitely have there niche for opiate replacement therapy, LAAM is off the market.

I cant believe I have been stable on buprenorphine since it was available for op8 maintenance. I remember ordering shit tons of Temegesic [0.2mg tablets] and using those for off days and that was easily 10 years ago. I still remember the waiting for suboxone to become available and just getting by day to day with heroin. I really dont know where I would be with out bupe, dead or what? At times I curse bupe and at times I crave that orange drip, like right now time for my 1 mg sniff, sigh...

Peace,
Seedless
 
Generic Bupes

This is my first posting on the site(which is waay cool)just wondering,I got my first generic 8mg for 3.66 apiece instead of the subs at 6.50(the cheapest around N.E. Ohio.Is this a high price?When I started the program the subs were around 5.50 each.Also do these work as well as the subs? These are football shaped and have the #799 stamped on them.Does anyone have any answers,any help at all would be great....Rod
 
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