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Bupe buprenorphine patches

^You're not crazy. Well I can't say that for sure :p but in the above post you are reasonable and your doctor is ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if your sub doc had been told countless times by his peers and colleagues, and thereby been convinced, that the naloxone in suboxone is the reason it isn't abusable. Hence when you asked for bupe alone he thought you were a drug seeker.

Legal questions aren't really appropriate for OD (and you don't list your location), but there could be some policy in place whereby regular docs can prescribe subs for addiction management by taking a course and not sending you to a specialized addiction doctor. The course is probably presented by Reckitt Benckiser themselves and it very well may not be allowed for that doctor to prescribe anything other than subs for dependence management.
 
I live in the US. What I don't understand is that he said Subutex, Methadone and Suboxone are all OK to be Rx'd to me...but Butrans was totally out of the question...so it isn't even the Naloxone in Suboxone...I think he's just fucking crazy. And how asking for a patch version of Subutex is drug seeking is seriously out of the realm of ideas I am capable of understanding. oh well!

too bad more doctors don't read BL...they might actually learn some real world knowledge....
 
enoughorangejuice? said:
too bad more doctors don't read BL...they might actually learn some real world knowledge....
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Yep. The whole 'addiction specialist' tag many sub doctors/methadone doctors have is just a bunch of bullshit. Treating opiate addiction, overall, is a fucking sad state of affairs. Now, for sure there are good doctors out there, who know what they are talking about, just it is sad that the majority don't.

You're definitely not crazy, man. You should have just said, "okay, well I'll just go buy some dope. Now what?"
 
haha, ya know when my now-fomer Sub doctor told me that i'm a junky and always will be and started to preach to me the first step of the 12-step program about being powerless and having an unmanageable life I replied, "if i am powerless, why am I not scoring heroin right now, and haven't for the past 2 years?" to which he replied (no joke), "that is the junky in you talking" =D

how ridiculous! the junky in me is telling him how clean i have been...ya that's real junky talk! wtf? my life is completely manageable, i take the lowest suboxone dose of any human on earth who uses it for opioid maintenance (0.5mg a day) and i have a full time job and don't drink or smoke or abuse drugs and i work out daily and don't eat junk food or meat or soda or sweets EVER... ya my life is unmanageable... 8)

i can tell that all of my Suboxone doctors, with ONE exception, only have textbook knowledge regarding Suboxone and addiction. They have no concept of what really goes on and what drugs are abused and how they are abused (other than the obvious ones) and they have no idea how abuseable Suboxone really is and how the Naloxone has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT in stopping ANYBODY from snorting/plugging or injecting it.

mod note: please use the edit button if you have something to add immediately after posting instead of posting again.
 
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i got put on these last week from my doctor, i have never and will never shoot up, no offense to anyone that does, and i am trying to figure out how to get high with them, without having to wear them
 
Norspan buprenorphine patches 5mg

I went to see a Dr for filling my OxyContin OC and the Dr I casually visit had a flue so there was another Dr who did not have any of those invidually numbered hologrammed RX templates for hard painkillers etc. we use here so he could not fill the script for me. Instead he scripted me a Norspan patch that contains 5mg of buprenorphine which is released during a week and told me to start using these.

Luckily I have still OCs to cope until I see my regular Dr at monday so no in hell I am going to switch in to thing that releases few micrograms of buprenorphine in to my body as that would not be a nowhere near equal painkilling effect as 20mg of Oxycodone taken three times a day. Also taking buprenorphine while oxycodone in my body would lead to a hell of a bad withdrawals as even those few micrograms released from that patch would block my opiate receptors quite well and would be nowhere equal the amount of oxycodone.

Where do these jerks actually come from?

I just wonder if there are any recreational value for those patches and how should they be administered if some day I quit oxycodone and want to have a buprenorphine high?
 
that dosage patch releases only 5mcg/hr, nowhere near a blockade dose. i was prescribed 2 20mcg/hr patches for some time and had no qualms using oxy, codeine, etc on top for breakthrough pain.

bupe is a potent drug and you will be surprised that it may be sufficient to hold you fine. i had a big opiate tolerance and low dose bupe such as these patches were more sufficient. the lockade effect ime seems to take place upwards of 2-4mg doses.

merging into appropriaye thread
 
i live in NEW YORK, my doc gave me BUTRANS 5mcg/hr..he knew i was an addict and WAS on suboxone, still gave me it, didnt help much, its a 7 day patch
 
I found bupe to be good for pain. When I went to the PM doc who just wanted to give me $5000 cortisone injections in my neck (greedy piece of shit). I got an 8mg sub from a friend and divided it over 2 weeks I was almost pain free (not from the injection I spoke to a spinal surgeon who said they would do nothing for my pain and about shit when I told him the price).
 
I have been using these Norspan (10mics/h) patches for a few weeks now. I am using these for pain with several other medications. Now the problem is that the patches don’t stay in contact with my skin for a whole week. If I tape those from the edges (as it should), it rises from the center where the bupe is. Does it make the patch useless if the area containing bupe is not in contact with my skin? Should I tape the whole patch to my body? I mean that there is like air or something under the patch.

Can anyone compare Norspan (10mics/h) to any other analgesics? I am in pain and these are not helping much.

Thanks!
 
Skelu said:
I have been using these Norspan (10mics/h) patches for a few weeks now. I am using these for pain with several other medications. Now the problem is that the patches don’t stay in contact with my skin for a whole week. If I tape those from the edges (as it should), it rises from the center where the bupe is. Does it make the patch useless if the area containing bupe is not in contact with my skin? Should I tape the whole patch to my body? I mean that there is like air or something under the patch.

Can anyone compare Norspan (10mics/h) to any other analgesics? I am in pain and these are not helping much.

Thanks!
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The problem with butrans is that the transdermal BA for buprenorphine is quite low.

I don't know why they didn't increase the dosage at least by several times; apparently most people aren't sensitive enough to get anything out of these.
 
^the dose might be low but it's a potent opioid. think of the dose you're on CH; you administer a similar amount daily to a 24hr period of a 1mcg/hr patch. the transdermal BA is around 30%, similar to sublingual. the max dosage that can be applied is 2 x 20mcg/hr patches for pain managment.

i had problems with the adhesive myself using norspan. tape, saran wrap, glue and bandages never helped. in the end i had an allergic reaction to the silicon adhesive. perspiration was another factor. same problems i had with fentanyl patches.

i've used oxy and morphine since with tramadol.

talk to your doctor about the problem. mine was compassionate enough to change me to morphine after.
 
i just find it ridicolous that my dose for Butrans is 5mcg/hr=5mg a week, my primary knew i was on 24mg suboxone a day for addiction, yet gave me these Butrans for Pain from my car accident..i cant imagine an opiate nieve person even achieving any effect from 5-20mcg/hr...
 
have you at least given them a chance? or spoken to your doctor about your concerns?

bupe works amazingly efficient for myself. during my addiction to fentanyl (using up to 3-4 25mcg/hr patches bucally while wearing an extra patch or two a day) a small dose of only 1-2mg of subutex was able to hold me for 72 hours via IV route.
 
Thanks Captain H and Leftwing

Still struggling to get these patches work properly. What would be the best place for the patch? I am a skinny guy and I try to exercise as much as possible. I have lost 100lbs of my weight (35% of my total weight) and the problem is that when I move, my muscles pulls the patch off. These sure are not strong enough for my pain management when used as it is prescribed.
 
Wow, the information here is amazing and so appreciated. I actually had something to add for the last poster. I run, moderately lift, golf, on side cater which requires me to lift 12 meals, great exercise but in 100 degree kitchen, at times. I put my patch just below low-waisted belt line on my arse. I haven't lost one yet and they barely lift off.

I realize they say upper body but my ER nurse friend said for all those reasons, it is fine. Hope this helps.
 
^ i tried using them at lower parts on the body as well but i perspire more than the average person so it still didn't help me.

glad to hear it has worked out for yourself though
 
My evening is a whole lot better after just sucking on the little plastic square for half an hour. Under the tongue mostly out of reflex but I don't know if that matters. I didn't want to shoot a solution that has been gathering dust and shit in the open air for an hour. I don't know why they say it doesn't absorb like this, it definitely does. I guess you could get past the contamination if you let it soak inside a syringe but..this is fine. Many thanks for the info.
 
Transdermal Patches

Got a few questions, so bare with me lol.

If someone goes on a 7-day BuTrans patch for pain, how are they to bathe? Is it okay to get them wet like the little surgical bandages they put over small incisions, do you need to clean around the area? Would one be able to remove and replace the patch a few times during this period of time or would that just cause the patch to need to re-coat the skin again in a new area causing there to be a gap in drug administration?

Any info would be appreciated.
 
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