Opioids Bupe after methadone with no dependence

[LucidSDreamr]

Well, you exactly said, word by word, that "2 mg of bupe with no tolerance is almost as good as any of the best opioids imo".

“Almost” means it is not as good, ie “less good”

 

[RyGly76]

Huh, I have no idea. I don't think you would go into WD if you have no dependency on opiates but why would you want to do this in the first place?

Speaking from experience, taking bupe on a high dose is definitely a no no. But if your not on a methadone regiment then you should be alright! Watch out for the methadone tho, you don't want to get hooked. Best of luck

 

[Señor Moreno]

Yeah, you don't want to get hooked on methadone, that's for sure
Heroin& other opis wd is like walking a mile by a totally dark tunnel with thousands of rats; mdne may be a little less darker- only a little- and with less rats- only a few less-, but the tunnel is like 25 miles long: if the darkness and the rats don't get you, then the eternity of its misery will

 

[LucidSDreamr]

To report more on this since nobody on the internet had done it and it appears to be preached against as suicidal.

I have a maybe a mild dependency in the sense that if I took 20 mg of methadone on day 6 of abstinence if would be unable to sleep. So no real hardcore dependency or anything.

Since the original post I have take 2 mg of bupe one day after 30 mg of methadone.

Another time I took 2 mg of bupe and 40 mg of methadone at the same time (benzos also)

No problems so far.

 

[helpingout]

I wanted to get high later and if you’re non dependent or have a very low tolerance I find bupe to be far more recreational than methadone.

2 mg of bupe with no tolerance is almost as good as any of the best opioids imo. 20 to 30 mg of methadone with no tolerance is alright but it’s just not warm in the way the thebaine/morohine family of opioids are and bupe is included.

The methadone is stoning and almost more stimulating and I can feel the NMDA antagonism when my tolerance to it is low and I take a higher dose….indont like those effects that much.

I know once you have a tolerance bupe is shit and methadone is better; but I’m one of the few that likes bupe with no tolerance.

You’re right lucid. I’m with you on the idea that bupe is really good without tolerance.

But I will say that even dosing 7oh for three days was enough for my body to remind me how much we like opiates with five days of withdrawal.

To avoid the rapid kindling effect. I’d say take your five to ten of done on one day and then calculate the half life of your methadone and only dose once it’s cleared to below a mg by the math.

And then the same with subs. If you’re going to dose as a non dependent whose prior had opiate withdrawal syndrome then you’re going to 100 want to wait those five days.

It’s like the body remembers

 

[helpingout]

Yeah, you don't want to get hooked on methadone, that's for sure
Heroin& other opis wd is like walking a mile by a totally dark tunnel with thousands of rats; mdne may be a little less darker- only a little- and with less rats- only a few less-, but the tunnel is like 25 miles long: if the darkness and the rats don't get you, then the eternity of its misery will

The words of wisdom
Scrawled upon the walls
Stand as substance over all
Words will come to the only son
But who listens
Don’t you wonder why things Happen this way
Suddenly you’re sitting in the houses of your childhood memories.
The closest thing to being home.
At least the feeling still persists
Here exists eternity
As words fall into their places
Like Tetris blocks slowly dropping into their spaces
Hahaha
Is everything held together
The blind are making their way.
Gripping their hands upon the slimed cave walls
Clutching desperately
As the dim light appears up ahead
It doesn’t matter to them though
For those who sit
And wonder where fore is the end
Will never feel the warmth of the sun upon their skin
Be still and have faith
The beginning is near.

-helpingout

 

[Señor Moreno]

Suddenly you’re sitting in the houses of your childhood memories

How hard do these memories hit you, don't they?

Here exists eternity

Indeed!

Will never feel the warmth of the sun upon their skin

Never, mate, never again

 

[LucidSDreamr]

You’re right lucid. I’m with you on the idea that bupe is really good without tolerance.

But I will say that even dosing 7oh for three days was enough for my body to remind me how much we like opiates with five days of withdrawal.

To avoid the rapid kindling effect. I’d say take your five to ten of done on one day and then calculate the half life of your methadone and only dose once it’s cleared to below a mg by the math.

And then the same with subs. If you’re going to dose as a non dependent whose prior had opiate withdrawal syndrome then you’re going to 100 want to wait those five days.

It’s like the body remembers

I dose when I’m in enough pain where I would kill myself if opioids didn’t exist. Doesn’t matter how often it is or if I get dependent again.

If I get dependent again then I’ll ride it out into hell again and hopefully death

I’m not gonna sit around and want to kill myself with pain that has been with me a decade and will be with men the rest of my life. Rather die from opioids or make my life so miserable from opioids I finally have the balls to kill myself.