💂‍♂️ UK 💂‍♂️ British government considering raising ketamine classification to class A

[4DQSAR]

Don't they put some of the money from the suits into other projects as well? If so it wouldn't be a complete waste of time.

I can't feel too bad for venture capitalists. So long as they haven't been lied to, due diligence and all that.

I've been told that venture capitalists expect three out of every five businesses they invest in will fail. But they immense profits the other two make more than offset the losses.

I just couldn't work at somewhere like GABA labs because it's a hiding to nothing. NOW what we MAY see is one or more of the senior researchers finding another use. I said before that I had proposed introducing the alcohol-mimic as a treatment for alcohol dependence. It totally stops AWS so certainly has utility but obviously that would be a much smaller market and they will have had to prodcing something novel, something that can be patented. I'm interested to see what (if anything) they come up with.

GABA Labs LTD applied for a UK patent in 2024 and 2025:

GB202504074D0
GB202403790D0

But there is no data to read. I think at this point it's worth noting that they bought three designs from us and applied for patents... but either didn't follow up OR the patent was refused. Could be the same things that a second application has been made for, could be a loophole homologue of same (we only offered three compounds - we didn't have the resources to make the thousands of homologues).

But I'm pretty confident they don't know the important bit - you need a compound that binds to ALL the a1 subunits. Not just the a1b1y2. We made them... but by that time we wanted nothing more to do with Nutt.

BTW one key detail is that it's generally accepted that you need at least 2 compounds to hit all three a1 subunits. So you have to test two compounds and how they might interact. We managed to do it with ONE. We didn't tell them how to do it ;-)

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Keir is a masochist pig man who seems to get off on making everybody hate him.

Realistically, the class of a drug doesn't matter unless you're moving it. A lot of the time if the filth catch you with coke they'll just chuck it in the bin and send you on your way.

Have personally never heard of anyone ever in uk having had that experience, so I seriously doubt that it happens often

 

[4DQSAR]

Have personally never heard of anyone ever in uk having had that experience, so I seriously doubt that it happens often

No - it's pretty common. Most people go out on Friday or Saturday night to drink while they consume the coke - the police have more important things to do.

Even IF they take it all the way to court, the result is almost always just a fine for a first offense. So unless they are making a point, they will tell people to just throw what they have down a drain. Don't forget, they don't even know what it is without testing and that requires that whole complex 'chain of evidence' issue.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

No - it's pretty common. Most people go out on Friday or Saturday night to drink while they consume the coke - the police have more important things to do.

Even IF they take it all the way to court, the result is almost always just a fine for a first offense. So unless they are making a point, they will tell people to just throw what they have down a drain. Don't forget, they don't even know what it is without testing and that requires that whole complex 'chain of evidence' issue.

Must be in mainstream clubland type scenarios or such then - am willing to believe it happens but really odd I've never heard an example of it irl given the circles I've moved and worked in over the years

 

[4DQSAR]

Must be in mainstream clubland type scenarios or such then - am willing to believe it happens but really odd I've never heard an example of it irl given the circles I've moved and worked in over the years

I think you should consider that there is likely to be conformation bias. People who aren't even accused of a crime but as a group simply told 'if any of you have something you shouldn't, just throw it into the drain now', both sides see it as part of the game. Would they even go onto an IRC chat on the subject to tell such a non-story?

I suggest it's only people who have been arrested who will post.

I also think it's also worth considering that unless you know these people in meatspace, you can't judge the veracity of a complaint. Isn't their an old saying that 'there are always three sides to every story. My side, your side and the truth'? Because I've winessed arrests and heard people retell the events 'in a manner at varience with my own recollection' (as it were) to make them seem like the victim.

If you have moved in those circles, you MUST have come across people who will make out they are saints, they had done nothing and the police were just picking on them. The thing is, in my experience nobody has brought the subject up! The person simply feels the need to justify an event the listnerers weren't present at. So they only get one side.

I don't use IRC nor do I know who you talked to but you are only getting their side.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

I think you should consider that there is likely to be conformation bias. People who aren't even accused of a crime but as a group simply told 'if any of you have something you shouldn't, just throw it into the drain now', both sides see it as part of the game. Would they even go onto an IRC chat on the subject to tell such a non-story?

I suggest it's only people who have been arrested who will post.

I also think it's also worth considering that unless you know these people in meatspace, you can't judge the veracity of a complaint. Isn't their an old saying that 'there are always three sides to every story. My side, your side and the truth'? Because I've winessed arrests and heard people retell the events 'in a manner at varience with my own recollection' (as it were) to make them seem like the victim.

If you have moved in those circles, you MUST have come across people who will make out they are saints, they had done nothing and the police were just picking on them. The thing is, in my experience nobody has brought the subject up! The person simply feels the need to justify an event the listnerers weren't present at. So they only get one side.

I don't use IRC nor do I know who you talked to but you are only getting their side.

I get your drift but, if this happens often, as claimed, I'd also expect to have heard about it happening at least once in four decades of drug use, large and diverse friendship groups, moderating forums and decades of working in related fields. Pretty much living the life. But I have never heard it, ever.

I'm sure it does happen, as two of you who are not dimwits nor have any skin in the game have said so... but I doubt it's often, and would bet that it hardly ever (never?) happens outside of a city where the coppers are stretched. Anywhere rural/semi rural or even small towns, find even a tiny bit cocaine on you and not only are you not getting away with it you're likely getting your abode searched too

I don't use IRC either, my abbreviation was irl, in real life

 

[4DQSAR]

Ah - In Real Life is a much more reliable source.

I'm curious - were these people caught in stings (buying of darkweb sites) caught actually using or stopped and searched without pretext?

Because I was brought up in one city and have lived in three others and they all seem approximately the same. I can imagine that in a small town, village or rural area, the police are actually trying to prevent their patch having 'a drug problem'. Rich rural areas with nothing to do must mean a big potential market.

That County Lines thing is all about dealers figuring out that kids can get a 28 day unlimited train tickets and apparently will sit on trains for 12-16 hours a day for peanuts. You can imagine why this might be considered a big deal (no pun intended).

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Ah - In Real Life is a much more reliable source.

I'm curious - were these people caught in stings (buying of darkweb sites) caught actually using or stopped and searched without pretext?

Because I was brought up in one city and have lived in three others and they all seem approximately the same. I can imagine that in a small town, village or rural area, the police are actually trying to prevent their patch having 'a drug problem'. Rich rural areas with nothing to do must mean a big potential market.

That County Lines thing is all about dealers figuring out that kids can get a 28 day unlimited train tickets and apparently will sit on trains for 12-16 hours a day for peanuts. You can imagine why this might be considered a big deal (no pun intended).

I don't understand the question bolded, could you clarify?

As for the cops, I think their motivation is often informed by meeting arrest targets etc and being seen to be doing shit as opposed to an active desire for a drug-free area, but I gotta say I'm not particularly clued-up on what lurks inside the mind of the average copper (I suspect the answer to be 'not much of interest' though in many cases!)

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Noticed a few ketamine related articles on the BBC this week they do seem to be finding more and more excuses to write about it.

Ketamine: Would making the drug class A stop Gen Z using it?

As young people's use of ketamine soars a review is due to take place into whether it should be upgraded.

www.bbc.com

Another one about reclassifying it from 3 days ago.

Ugh and why do they insist on calling it "a powerful horse tranquilizer" in every single article? That one really gets on my nerves.

 

[4DQSAR]

I don't understand the question bolded, could you clarify?

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I was asking how people were being apprehended.