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british COLUMBIA (Decrim today!)

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Hey party people,

So, us here in british COLUMBIA survived day one of having decriminalized coke. I for one usually too busy to party, and thus, usually get stepped on favours.

I’m looking forward to taking my time my way around this new world. I expect to find a party friendly bar or two and find fellow mature, responsible users.

One thing that grinds my gears about this decrim being in the news is the news says it’s all about destigmatation, then they show a dozen shots of homeless people using dirty drugs. That not what this law is about. This law change is for us weekend Warriors who have perfected not using too much, too loudly yet don’t want a single mistake to ban us from flying internationally.

What’s your thought on this change? Will you use more publicly? I might use at a local bar just to see how the barmaids react.
 
Decriminalization doesn’t quite mean what I think you think it means.. It’s really more for the homeless drug users than you think, but also for you too. Basically you won’t get in trouble. I’ve lived in places where all drugs are decriminalized in small amounts, nothing changed except a little more peace of mind when out with drugs. You’re not gonna get bars catering to drug users or anything different than what you have now.

Oddly enough I moved back to an area with much older more outdated drug laws and the venues/bars are so much easier to use drugs at. Venue I went to the other weekend people were hitting nitrous right off the tank right in the middle of the dance floor, I watch folks snort shit all the time right out in the open.

It’s more for the homeless cuz they are the ones going in and out of the system because of it. Most weekend warriors don’t deal with that.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Oddly enough I moved back to an area with much older more outdated drug laws and the venues/bars are so much easier to use drugs at. Venue I went to the other weekend people were hitting nitrous right off the tank right in the middle of the dance floor, I watch folks snort shit all the time right out in the open.
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Sounds great. Can you enlighten us, was it the West Coast? East Coast? Mediterranean??
 
You lucky bastards. At least do you have decriminalization, it will take ages for other governments to catch up.
 
G_Chem said:
Oddly enough I moved back to an area with much older more outdated drug laws and the venues/bars are so much easier to use drugs at. Venue I went to the other weekend people were hitting nitrous right off the tank right in the middle of the dance floor, I watch folks snort shit all the time right out in the open.
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Sounds great. Can you enlighten us, was it the West Coast? East Coast? Mediterranean
plumbus-nine said:
You lucky bastards. At least do you have decriminalization, it will take ages for other governments to catch up.
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You lucky bastards. At least do you have decriminalization, it will take ages for other governments to catch up.
This decrim applies to visit as well. Come join the party.
 
I know one bar where the Coke is sold openly. Another one depends on who you know.

With bars closing left and right, I could a few catering via word of mouth. If patrons are responsible, then I don’t think the cops will care.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Yeah drug laws in the UK have always seemed weirdly draconian to me, especially regarding cannabis
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The best part is we are the worlds largest exporter of medicinal cannabis. The husband of ex-PM Theresa May is a senior executive of Capital Group, which has a massive stake in GW Pharma that produces the cannabis in the UK. They created a legal monopoly of bastardized pharmaceutical cannabis products at a massive mark up. Cunts.

Found out the other day that an 1/8th is now going for £40 round my area. Absolute madness.
 
I think decriminalization is meaningless without institutional supports to fight addiction. The waiting lists for detox programs are more than 1 year here. BC has given up on truly helping addicts beyond superficial bandaid solutions. Bonnie Henry herself has stated that addiction is a disease that can never be cured, an absurd lie that many former addicts have come out against. Decriminalization will lead to safe supply but also people selling those supplies to others who will become new addicts.

I don't agree with BC's pure HR approach. It needs to be multifaceted. They aren't dealing with the social determinants of addiction. As long as it's $1700 for the shittiest one bedroom apartment in Vancouver and Victoria, homelessness and addiction will be a conveyer belt of new addicts. As long as getting access to mental health professionals remains impossible except for the wealthy or the imminently suicidal, there's zero prevention.
 
Foreigner said:
I think decriminalization is meaningless without institutional supports to fight addiction. The waiting lists for detox programs are more than 1 year here. BC has given up on truly helping addicts beyond superficial bandaid solutions. Bonnie Henry herself has stated that addiction is a disease that can never be cured, an absurd lie that many former addicts have come out against. Decriminalization will lead to safe supply but also people selling those supplies to others who will become new addicts.

I don't agree with BC's pure HR approach. It needs to be multifaceted. They aren't dealing with the social determinants of addiction. As long as it's $1700 for the shittiest one bedroom apartment in Vancouver and Victoria, homelessness and addiction will be a conveyer belt of new addicts. As long as getting access to mental health professionals remains impossible except for the wealthy or the imminently suicidal, there's zero prevention.
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What I find strange with BC’s opioid epidemic and recent decriminalization law is that there’s an effective way to combat the opioid epidemic via the Portugal model of criminal charges sticking if the individual refuses treatment, however they choose to leave an elephant in the room.
 
I think that there should be negative and a positive aspects to the reform agenda...negative, in eliminating punitive and carceral responses surrounding a victimless crime (drug use)/instituting decriminalization, and positive, in providing drug treatment services and addiction counseling to those individuals who may benefit from that. So yeah, in that regard it should be multifaceted.
 
Opi_Kid_Rock said:
What I find strange with BC’s opioid epidemic and recent decriminalization law is that there’s an effective way to combat the opioid epidemic via the Portugal model of criminal charges sticking if the individual refuses treatment, however they choose to leave an elephant in the room.
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The BC criminal justice system for addicts is currently a revolving door. The hypocrisy is never ending. A known junky addict who assaults someone gets a slap on the wrist by a judge and sent back to the streets because "poor, oppressed addict". Meanwhile, if someone like myself - a person who has no history of addiction or homeleness - assaults someone, a judge would probably sentence me to prison. More and more, as the years go by, I feel like I'm in living in upside down land.

I agree, the Portugal model is king... but Portugal invested major $$$ into a multifaceted decriminalization/recovery infrastructure. We're talking billions of dollars. And I think that is the precise reason why BC did not go down that route. Canada is in serious trouble financially. They can only afford to subsidize housing for a small number of homeless people. Forget actual recovery and mental health facilities. The healthcare system here is literally collapsing, I'm not exaggerating.
 
Foreigner said:
The BC criminal justice system for addicts is currently a revolving door. The hypocrisy is never ending. A known junky addict who assaults someone gets a slap on the wrist by a judge and sent back to the streets because "poor, oppressed addict". Meanwhile, if someone like myself - a person who has no history of addiction or homeleness - assaults someone, a judge would probably sentence me to prison. More and more, as the years go by, I feel like I'm in living in upside down land.

I agree, the Portugal model is king... but Portugal invested major $$$ into a multifaceted decriminalization/recovery infrastructure. We're talking billions of dollars. And I think that is the precise reason why BC did not go down that route. Canada is in serious trouble financially. They can only afford to subsidize housing for a small number of homeless people. Forget actual recovery and mental health facilities. The healthcare system here is literally collapsing, I'm not exaggerating.
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Thank you for your view. I wasn’t quite sure why BC won’t copy Portugal.
 
Foreigner said:
I think decriminalization is meaningless without institutional supports to fight addiction. The waiting lists for detox programs are more than 1 year here. BC has given up on truly helping addicts beyond superficial bandaid solutions. Bonnie Henry herself has stated that addiction is a disease that can never be cured, an absurd lie that many former addicts have come out against. Decriminalization will lead to safe supply but also people selling those supplies to others who will become new addicts.

I don't agree with BC's pure HR approach. It needs to be multifaceted. They aren't dealing with the social determinants of addiction. As long as it's $1700 for the shittiest one bedroom apartment in Vancouver and Victoria, homelessness and addiction will be a conveyer belt of new addicts. As long as getting access to mental health professionals remains impossible except for the wealthy or the imminently suicidal, there's zero prevention.
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That’s a good, sober response to my light hearted take on this issue.

Yes, I am libertarian in my view of drugs, but probably because I’ve managed to stick with stims. Opioids on the other hand seem to take their users to hell.

I think the best anti-drug or detox program is good paying, full-time jobs, especially for men. I know lots of men that have felt like failures and just thrown in the towel and kept using drugs (or in harder ways like slamming). I’m grateful that on many Saturday’s I’ve stopped the party because I know Monday morning is coming.

Part-Time, Starbuck “careers” aren’t enough.
 
6 month check up here on our situation in british COLUMBIA.

There's more open drug use, especially around harm reduction and shelters. Mostly people are bahaving. The locals are still thinking it weird, especially when 3 or 4 guys get a a group and start a side smoking sesh, with a hose and everything.

Weekend warriors seem to be respecting others. Perhaps there's still a social stigma for most against doing rails at a bus stop..

Sadly, the monthly deaths keeps happening. 180-200 die each month in this province of 4 million souls. Way too many.

Looks like the next stage will be having a store or two downtown sell openly, to ensure their stims aren't deadly. Might work. I know I feel great about a reliable supply that's close to a testing area. Convenient and safe. Helps me plan things out so when the weekend ends I'm ready for the work week.
 
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